[Kir]

I bought a new Denon-2910 yesterday.

After testing it for about 3 hours I found the major deal-breaker (for me):

Out of 10 DVD-R I tested it with it played only 3. They took about a minute to load, but played after that. Other 7 gave different results:

a). after loading the timer showed all 0, and player did not react to any button, but Eject.

b). player hanged. No reaction to any button. The only way to ‘resurrect’ it was to unplug it and plug it back in.


All 10 DVD-R were recorded using the same Nero template, same media (Ritek G04), and played perfect on several players from other manufacturers.


So I called Denon tech support today, and after explaining the problem in details, got the following reply:

“The sophistication of Denon 2910 does not allow for reliable playback of recordable mediaâ€.


Needless to say, it goes back to the store today

 

[jwv651]

I have over 50 DVD+R...I wonder if this is going to be a problem on the 2910...they played perfectly on the 1910.

 

[Q of BanditZ]

Quote:

Originally posted by Kir “The sophistication of Denon 2910 does not allow for reliable playback of recordable mediaâ€.

My response to them, for that statement, would have been:
http://www.wackyweaselworld.com/flameINC/images/TS2.gif

In as sarcastic a tone as that picture looks.

 

[Kevin Johnson]

I've been playing DVD-Rs almost exclusively on it for a week now... about 10 discs beginning to end and 20 other random scenes. Fast loading and not one glitch. For reference... Pioneer A05 burner, Nero, Samsung & TDK media.

 

[Furious]

I've never found Nero to make fully compliant discs personally. It has improved quite a bit in thoses respects but it's not been as reilabile for dvd recording as it has been for cd. I do all my authoring in a proper authoring package, check the vob structure with ifoedit for compliancy and to make a disc image, and then use recordnow deluxe to burn the image. Has worked without issue that way with my 5900 (using a wide range of media, Kodak, Fuji, TDK, Sony, Memorex, Maxell, etc).


I have experienced simliar hangups on the 5900 with discs friends have recorded for me (these have worked fine on either the Pioneer or Philips players I also use) using Nero and various other recording packages. It appears that Denon's dvd-r support is less tolerant for discs without a 100% compliant structure. It can be quite frustrating if you can get dvd-r working. I require it myself for films that I subtitle and the record to dvd-r and I can see how it could be a dealbreaker. When I got my first dvd burner I think I went through about 10 discs before finding a reliable recording application.

 

[Version]

“The sophistication of Denon 2910 does not allow for reliable playback of recordable mediaâ€.


Give me a break.

 

[Tinker]

I been playing both DVD-R/RW and DVD+R/RW and had no problems at all.


I use DVDshrink to compress and DVDdecrytor to burn. Media are RiData G04 and Prodisc S03 both ink jet printables for -R and Memorex (Richojpn01) for +R. Memorex +/-RW. Burners are Plex 708a, NEC 2500a and Pio 105. The 2910 even plays the RW recordings that I use on the my DVD recorders without having to re-author them on my computer. The only things the 2910 doent play in the video are DivX and DVD-RAM. It playes all my S/VCD without a probm, not like my RP91 that just choke on S/VCD.

 

[kevinca1]

then take it back.

 

[Kir]

I brought it back to the store today. I also took a couple of DVD-Rs it could not play with me.

We tested them on a different Denon 2910 with the same results.

Then we tried them on the other DVD players - no problems playing them at all with the exception of... Denon 2200. It displayed "NO PLAY".

The manager made the conclusion that it's a Denon thing.


I'm sorry to say it, but this killed the brand for me...

 

[arioch]

Have played several DVD+R withouth any problems.

Also there are no visible layer changes on these.


...the last sentence is a joke.

 

[Kir]

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Originally posted by arioch Have played several DVD+R withouth any problems. Also there are no visible layer changes on these. ...the last sentence is a joke.

1. Unless you are talking about DVD+R DL, there is only one layer on DVD recordable media.

2. What is a joke? I'm not sure I understand you.

 

[myulfo]

I think what Arioch is saying is that since there is only one layer then there would be no noticeable layer change. And that's the joke.

 

[bucky63]

I take Denon's comments a little different and can understand them at some level.


I suggest people use conservative DVD burning speeds when making DVD's for these players. I know this suggestion does not help the people that have library full of DVD-Rs though. I have a 2200 and have not had a problem using DVD-R or +R disks and have heard others comment in 2200 threads to problems with DVD-Rs and the slower burning speeds have helped.


Possible firmware upgrades could help in the future too.

 

[markish]

Sorry to hear OP's having trouble with DVD-R. I played numerous DVD+R that I burned using DVDecrypt, DVDshrink, and NERO using various media made from Ritek, Philips, and Memorex, and had zero problems. And no, I did not see any visible layer changes, LOL.

 

[Kir]

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Originally posted by myulfo I think what Arioch is saying is that since there is only one layer then there would be no noticeable layer change. And that's the joke.

Sorry, I guess I was too frustrated with this ordeal to notice a joke.

 

[Kir]

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Originally posted by bucky63 I take Denon's comments a little different and can understand them at some level. I suggest people use conservative DVD burning speeds when making DVD's for these players. I know this suggestion does not help the people that have library full of DVD-Rs though. I have a 2200 and have not had a problem using DVD-R or +R disks and have heard others comment in 2200 threads to problems with DVD-Rs and the slower burning speeds have helped. Possible firmware upgrades could help in the future too.

Denon was the only brand in the store that could not play them.

It's not like DVD-R showed up yesterday. There is no excuse for any manufacturer not to play them nowadays, IMHO.

 

[rgfcpq]

I have tried several dvd+4s (Ritek included) and have no problems on my 2910. Ripped with dvd-decryptor and burned with Nero.

 

[ZZtop]

I don't know who the mfg code of the TDK +R's 4x speed are, someone can probably use nero or a utility to read it off the disc. BUT I can tell you I have only burned them exclusively and had little to no problem with both burning and playing them in lots of machines.


Samsung 841 , Zenith, Pioneer, Sony, Adcom , Bravo D1, Denon 1910 all play them fine.


The Denon choked hard on a new dual layer burned R9 format disc though. At 10$ a disc, I shed a tear on that loss. My Adcom plays it just fine.


I highly recommend them for stability and compatibility. Also I burn them at 8x with a custom dvd bios just fine in both my Nec and Pioneer drives.


Several stores locally claim they have less problems with those TDK +R's than with any other brand thoug h I often wonder about the FUJI dvd+r's


One thing about dvd+r's to keep in mind, they have a special loss-linking property from the way they are written that dvd-r's do not. So over time for wear and tear and errors and the disc playing they are a litle better than dvd-r's that way. I often wonder how that impacts mass dvd player compatibility.


There is some good technical reading on the web about the start and design of both formats for those who like to debate all that.


I do notice the dvd-r's seem to be a little lower priced at Best Buy. I almost bought my first pack and turned traitor on the +R's for once.


Also Best Buy is running like a 1/2 off instant rebate on their 100 pack dvd+r's and a pack of some brand of dvd-r's.


I grabbed the last spindle of the TDK's today at my store. They always go lightning quick on sale.


NOW, with the mfg id code of the tdk disc, assuming what you buy in bulk through the online web shops is the same grade/quality as generic, I bet you could even beat that price by alot.


I think dual layer being imminent is helping to drive down prices!

 

[esp1]

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Originally posted by Kir So I called Denon tech support today, and after explaining the problem in details, got the following reply: “The sophistication of Denon 2910 does not allow for reliable playback of recordable mediaâ€. Needless to say, it goes back to the store today

Of course this is the phrase you should use when you return the unit:


"My sophisticated home theater requires reliable playback of recordable media."



Any chance this is a problem for the DVD-3910 as well?!



Espen

 

[Kir]

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Originally posted by esp1 ... Any chance this is a problem for the DVD-3910 as well?! Espen

Our experiment at the store shown it to be a problem with Denon DVD players in general.