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I had thought I'd gotten this one pretty much pinned down. Since I have had experience with Denon products before and felt I could trust them not to exhibit unexpected limitations (currently using a 5803 MKII), I was recommending to my parents that they pick up the AVR-4306 for their 7.1 system. I knew that the model was within half a year of being replaced, but I also knew that the replacement would be more expensive.


The things the 4306 covered which I need: At least three HDMI inputs. HDMI output. Conversion of analog to HDMI. 24Hz support (at least passthrough). Unambiguous support for all typical resolutions and refresh rates up to and including 1080p60. 7.1 channel support with decent power per channel (for a small room). Correct (10dB) handling of LFE. Ability to utilize 5.1 audio in a 7.1 capacity. The price is also right at sub-$2k - actually closer to $1500 at this point - and, most importantly, it can be acquired new-in-box.


Known limitations of the unit / things that might have been nice: More HDMI inputs (never know). Two HDMI outputs (the parents will eventually be alternating between a projector and plasma). On-screen interface in HD and without limitations such as the occasional inability to display anything at all on some resolutions / refresh rates. High quality audio D/A & amplification (according to most audiophiles, very few if any AV receivers achieve good results with audio, but certainly none of the Denons). I'll mention other stuff if I recall it later.


The lack of two HDMI outputs is a hangup that will eventually require a solution I won't like, such as an HDMI splitter that we can only hope doesn't introduce latency or have handshaking issues. Also a problem is the lack of more than three HDMI inputs, as I already have at least three devices planned which will take up all three inputs, leaving no room for whatever I might have forgotten or might come later.


Here's the deal. I know that competing models from other makers tend to be cheaper, simply because Denon has been moving their prices up and away lately, and seems set to really break banks with their newest models, all because of their name. That bugs me. I appreciate that their hardware has been, in my experience, reasonably stable, without nitty-gritty shortcomings that one would generally discover too late. I am dubious of the likelihood that other makers have gotten everything down as pat. For example: I think I read that Pioneer models have only recently started to properly boost the LFE. That's the sort of oversight that does not lend confidence to a manufacturer. Still, it is very true that the 4306 has shortcomings that will irritate me, mostly having to do with how long ago it was introduced. The trouble is that the closest thing to a proper improvement over the 4306 in Denon's lineup is a model costing effectively more than twice the price of the 4306!


So I'm here to seek options. I have basically no true familiarity with other makers, owing to my lack of experience with / trust in them. I'll research anything that sounds good. Thanks in advance!
 

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To my knowledge, the AVR-4306 has never had the LFE -10dB issue. Considering the features you get, this is a VERY good piece of gear for the money.


The AVR-4806CI is a HUGE jump electronics-wise from the '4306, hence the price hike. You get a much beefier amp with a toroidal power transformer and 90% of the performance/features of the current 5805CI for considerably less money. As far as AVRs go, this is a reference-class component that is up there with the very best units on the market.


To use an example, Pioneer does not have a receiver that can compete with the '4806 in terms of performance and features. Both Yamaha and Marantz have models in this same expensive price bracket ($4-5k).


In any case, I think your parents would be very happy with an AVR-4306 if you want to return to Denon. You can overcome the lack of a second HDMI output with an inexpensive HDMI switch, so this is really not an issue.
 

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The 4306 should fit your needs, and then some. I've had mine for about 6 weeks now and I'm very pleased with it. The 4806 is a step up in power (not much), but expensive toroidial transformers and other electronic upgrades most often end up being just that - expensive, but not difference-makers.


As for two HDMI outputs, I initially wanted that also because I have the same setup you describe; HD monitor and HD projector. The only reason to have HDMI is to route both video and audio over one cable. Your parents won't be running audio from the projector, so why do you need the audio component of the HDMI connection. Just hook the projector to the component inputs on the 4306. Undoubtedly, the system will be running audio from the main speakers.


If there's a missing link on the 4306, it's the lack of a DVI input. That would accomplish the same thing as the component inputs with a less complicated cable, but what the hey.


The 4306 has great power (only 10w./channel less than 4806) and has the advantage of IPod and USB inputs on the front panel which the 4806 lacks. Indeed, there are features the 4806 has that the lower model doesn't, but for the money, I consider the 4306 the best receiver on the market today. I got mine at a healthy discount off retail price - all the better.
 

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I personally prefer Yamaha. They have a great interface, very easy to tweak and manipulate. Much better remote (I hate Denon remotes), very easy to control with universal remotes, discreet codes for everything. Plus the RXV-2700 which I think meets your needs and then some, can be found for under $1000 on the internet.
 

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The only reason to have HDMI is to route both video and audio over one cable. Your parents won't be running audio from the projector, so why do you need the audio component of the HDMI connection. Just hook the projector to the component inputs on the 4306.

Speaking from experience - since my own current setup does involve two displays from one receiver - I would say the main point of HDMI is to avoid the extra D/A conversions and noise on the cables. Especially with my understanding of how imperfect 24-bit color is, and how little degradation it takes to make posterization very apparent (actually I reckon the main problem is that 24-bit color is not as smooth, even theoretically, as a lot of people would like to think), I want to avoid such issues.

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Indeed, there are features the 4806 has that the lower model doesn't, but for the money, I consider the 4306 the best receiver on the market today. I got mine at a healthy discount off retail price - all the better.

It's good to have assurances that the receiver I settled upon is indeed generally well-regarded. Hopefully the problem somebody in the 4306 thread has been having with their 7.1 audio won't crop up in my case. I do wish the interface could be more in tune with >NTSC video. I'm familiar with how it works on my 5803, and the interface simply doesn't show up on feeds besides 480i.
 
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