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Denon AVR-4311 + 2 ATOLL AM200 (mono) for B&W 803S Front
Hi,
The time has come to upgrade my current AV Receiver (Denon AVR3802). My Budget is around 2500 €.
My Actual combination is Denon AVR3802 + 2xATOLL AM-200 (mono) to feed my B&W 803S. The internal amp section of the Denon AVR3802 is feeding the B&W matrix HTM as center & 2 x B&W 805 rear channels
I use my system 80% for stereo and 20% for HT.
I thought of going to the Denon AVR4311 because of the pre-amp mode and the possibility of streaming music over my network (iTunes airport possibility or DLNA) because my entire music collection is digitalized within iTunes Lossless format.
I already auditioned the Denon 3311 with 2xATOLL AM200 + B&W 803 Diamond using the original CD (played on ATOLL CD200 in analogue & digital connection) and the EAC rip in FLAC.
The reproduction with the Atoll CD-200 in analogue mode was very revealing but I was completely impressed with the openess and dynamics that the digital copy (on USB stick) had over the original CD with the 'audiophile' CD player.
Has anybody other suggestions (for a 2500 € budget) ?
For me is the network (airplay) possibility or DLNA streaming and the pre-out section important as well as (close to) audiophile stereo reproduction.
Thanks in advance for any hints or tips.
The time has come to upgrade my current AV Receiver (Denon AVR3802). My Budget is around 2500 €.
My Actual combination is Denon AVR3802 + 2xATOLL AM-200 (mono) to feed my B&W 803S. The internal amp section of the Denon AVR3802 is feeding the B&W matrix HTM as center & 2 x B&W 805 rear channels
I use my system 80% for stereo and 20% for HT.
I thought of going to the Denon AVR4311 because of the pre-amp mode and the possibility of streaming music over my network (iTunes airport possibility or DLNA) because my entire music collection is digitalized within iTunes Lossless format.
I already auditioned the Denon 3311 with 2xATOLL AM200 + B&W 803 Diamond using the original CD (played on ATOLL CD200 in analogue & digital connection) and the EAC rip in FLAC.
The reproduction with the Atoll CD-200 in analogue mode was very revealing but I was completely impressed with the openess and dynamics that the digital copy (on USB stick) had over the original CD with the 'audiophile' CD player.
Has anybody other suggestions (for a 2500 € budget) ?
For me is the network (airplay) possibility or DLNA streaming and the pre-out section important as well as (close to) audiophile stereo reproduction.
Thanks in advance for any hints or tips.
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I own and like the 4311 but it may be overkill for you. The preamp switch has been found to be worthless with no discernable audio quality improvement. Just like other receivers mix and match internal and external amps as desired. Network streaming can be found for 1/3 the cost of the 4311 these days. It does have better room correction software and 11 channel preout over the 3311. The remote control is missing some important buttons like info. I sure can't find anything that blows away the 4311.
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Originally Posted by ppienter /forum/post/20853119
Anybody?
I own and like the 4311 but it may be overkill for you. The preamp switch has been found to be worthless with no discernable audio quality improvement. Just like other receivers mix and match internal and external amps as desired. Network streaming can be found for 1/3 the cost of the 4311 these days. It does have better room correction software and 11 channel preout over the 3311. The remote control is missing some important buttons like info. I sure can't find anything that blows away the 4311.
I know it might be overkill but in the meantime I can no longer get the 3311 and the 3312 has not the same sound reproduction as the xx11 series.
At the other hand there is also the AL processing from Denon and the latest HT codecs.
I also understood that sooner or later Blu-Ray Audio disks will come and then I will be able to take more full advantage of the Denon 4311.
Today my dealer replaced in the same setup the 4311 (pre-amp mode with 2x ATOLL AM200 & B&W 803 Diamond) with the 3312 (with 2x ATOLL AM200 & B&W 803 Diamond) and the sound openess and dynamics that I loved were gone...
According to my dealer there is an audible difference between the 3311 and the 3312.
Between the 3311 and 4311 both with 2x ATOLL AM200 (mono configuration delivering 300 W RMS at 8 Ohms) & B&W 803 Diamond the difference was very subtle.
My dealer suggested to buy the 4311 before any upgrade to 43xx would come out.
At the other hand there is also the AL processing from Denon and the latest HT codecs.
I also understood that sooner or later Blu-Ray Audio disks will come and then I will be able to take more full advantage of the Denon 4311.
Today my dealer replaced in the same setup the 4311 (pre-amp mode with 2x ATOLL AM200 & B&W 803 Diamond) with the 3312 (with 2x ATOLL AM200 & B&W 803 Diamond) and the sound openess and dynamics that I loved were gone...
According to my dealer there is an audible difference between the 3311 and the 3312.
Between the 3311 and 4311 both with 2x ATOLL AM200 (mono configuration delivering 300 W RMS at 8 Ohms) & B&W 803 Diamond the difference was very subtle.
My dealer suggested to buy the 4311 before any upgrade to 43xx would come out.
The dealer likely hadn't run Audyssey as there should be a noticable difference betwen the older Audyssey MultEQ XT in the 3311CI and the newest, more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 in the 4311CI.
The set-up was without Audyssey activated since I requested to audition in pure audio (direct) mode.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie /forum/post/20853951
The dealer likely hadn't run Audyssey as there should be a noticable difference betwen the older Audyssey MultEQ XT in the 3311CI and the newest, more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 in the 4311CI.
The set-up was without Audyssey activated since I requested to audition in pure audio (direct) mode.
Well of course he wants you to buy the 4311. It's more money. I went with the 3311 and you should have no problem finding one online. The Amazon price is a little high right now but I got an open box 3311 from Amazon really cheap. Don't get me wrong, the 4311 is a better receiver and I really wanted one but I can't see paying 3 times more for better room correction. I only have 5.3 so if I add another set of speakers it will still just be 7 channels. If I can find a good deal on a 4311 when the new 43xx series comes out I will pick it up for sure.
My dealer is selling his demo 4311 (2 months old) with 2 years warranty for the same price as the previous 3311 so this can't be his motivation.
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Originally Posted by mjpearce023 /forum/post/20854132
Well of course he wants you to buy the 4311. It's more money. I went with the 3311 and you should have no problem finding one online. The Amazon price is a little high right now but I got an open box 3311 from Amazon really cheap. Don't get me wrong, the 4311 is a better receiver and I really wanted one but I can't see paying 3 times more for better room correction. I only have 5.3 so if I add another set of speakers it will still just be 7 channels. If I can find a good deal on a 4311 when the new 43xx series comes out I will pick it up for sure.
My dealer is selling his demo 4311 (2 months old) with 2 years warranty for the same price as the previous 3311 so this can't be his motivation.
Well if it's a good price and you want it then go for it. I don't see any reason that sound quality would be better until you run Audyssey so I'm not sure why it was at his shop. If you have dual subs the XT32 will come in handy. The 4311 is a nice receiver and if you find it below 1500 you are getting a good deal.
MSRP 3311 (US$1199)
MSRP 4311 (US$2099)
Something is amiss if he's willing to sell the 4311 for the same price as the 3311.
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Originally Posted by ppienter /forum/post/20854220
My dealer is selling his demo 4311 (2 months old) with 2 years warranty for the same price as the previous 3311 so this can't be his motivation.
MSRP 3311 (US$1199)
MSRP 4311 (US$2099)
Something is amiss if he's willing to sell the 4311 for the same price as the 3311.
It's possible that you can't hear any differences or that they are subtle. At the other hand, an amplifier in idle mode can easily consume 25 Watt per channel. 25 times 9 gives 225 Watts that you don't use (in my case when I go in pure stereo mode).
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Originally Posted by kikkenit2 /forum/post/20853572
... The preamp switch has been found to be worthless with no discernable audio quality improvement....
It's possible that you can't hear any differences or that they are subtle. At the other hand, an amplifier in idle mode can easily consume 25 Watt per channel. 25 times 9 gives 225 Watts that you don't use (in my case when I go in pure stereo mode).
The amps on the 4311 are still ON when in preamp mode.
I'm a regular customer and he's offering me the pleasure. At the other hand, what could be wrong of he's offering me 2 years warranty
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie /forum/post/20854468
MSRP 3311 (US$1199)
MSRP 4311 (US$2099)
Something is amiss if he's willing to sell the 4311 for the same price as the 3311.
I'm a regular customer and he's offering me the pleasure. At the other hand, what could be wrong of he's offering me 2 years warranty
^^
Correct, the "operation" of passing a signal to the amps is disabled, however, the amps still remain ON.
Correct, the "operation" of passing a signal to the amps is disabled, however, the amps still remain ON.
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