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there seems to be a lot of discussion at this forum regarding the denon dvd-1600 as probably the best mid level dvd player around. but alas the powers at denon have decided to discontinue this model and replace it with another. a good substitute seems to be denons own dvd-1200 model. what is the difference in picture and sound between these two models? is the 1200 a direct replacement of the 1600? they both have the faroudja chips inside so shouldn't they have a near identical picture quality? since the 1200 is cheaper, is there something else missing from it that the 1600 does? fancy bells and whistles mean nothing to me just picture and sound. has anybody done a direct comparison between the two?
 

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The DVD-1200 has a different model Faroudja chipset and a different MPEG decoder than the DVD-1600. Also the Faroudja settings are different between the two. This results in a color flicker bug and softer image on the DVD-1200 compared to the DVD-1600, so the older model is superior. Actually now the DVD-1600 is the cheaper since many places have discounted them heavily, whereas the DVD-1200 is usually sold at list price. So the DVD-1200 is $399 vs $329 or less for the DVD-1600. The 1600 is a much better buy, higher video quality and lower price. the newer Denon models DVD-910 and DVD-1200 are more similar to the older inferior DVD-900 model than the DVD-1600 - look at the reviews and DVD shootout results for the DVD-900 if you want to compare these with the DVD-1600.
 

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great info there thumperboy (sounds like a great porno name...ha.ha) but aren't you able to dial in the sharpness on the user menu to get a sharper image? i don't know what the colour flicker bug is but i can just imagine that it is a flicker in the colour?!? but you didn't mention any difference in sound quality as a stand alone player and as a movie sountrack machine, is it a wash between the two? both do dvd audio and cd's equally well? where do you find this dvd shootout?
 

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The DVD-1200 has a different model Faroudja chipset and a different MPEG decoder than the DVD-1600.This results in a color flicker bug and softer image on the DVD-1200 compared to the DVD-1600, so the older model is superior.
FWIW, the 1200 and the 1600 use the same Faroudja chipset, but different MPEG decoders. The softness that one sees in a 1200 when compared with the 1600 is due to the MPEG decoder and not the Faroudja chip. The color flicker bug (which only appears on some saturated colors) is due to the CCS filter being set too high, if it's turned on. The Panasonic RP56 did this, as did early shipping models of the 1600. Denon later turned it off on production units and offered a solution for people who wanted to turn CCS off.


I'm curious, have you seen the color flicker bug yourself on the 1200?
 

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Yes the color flicker on the DVD-1200 has been confirmed - you can see it on the AVIA split color bar or YC delay test patterns. The top and botom edge of a saturated color bar flickers. You can turn up the sharpness on the DVD player's custom setup but it introduces a lot of ringing and other artifacts - so its worse. You can turn up the sharpness setting on your TV to help compensate, but that may add artifacts as well.


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The Denon USA web site has a very nice PDF format comparison chart that has honest side-by-side comparisons of its various dvd models. Includes info about the infamnous chroma bug. When you do a model listing, the comparison chart comes up at the top as though it was a dvd player model. Very useful.
 

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do these differences in players result in a noticeable difference in picture quality? in other words, will it be so obvious in picture quality that the 1200 is considered "poor" compared to the 1600? i also thought a smoother (softer?) image was more "film like" and therefore more desireable?
 

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btw, nobody has commented on the sound quality of both players as both a stand alone cd player and dvd-a and movie soundtrack player?!?
 

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A softer image is reducing fine detail, if you want that just turn down your sharpness control on the TV. But if you want all the resolution capabilities of DVD you want a flat frequency response from the DVD player. I don't get how some equate a soft image with filmlike? Maybe you are comparing against a poor theatre projector showing of a film? When a movie is show in HDTV for example, the picture is even higher resolution than DVD and extremely sharp - thats good because if it was as soft as the poorer DVD players you wouldn't see any difference between regular video and HD video!
 
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