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Since there seems to be a lot of questions about the DirecTV Sat C kit, I'm going to post this link and stick it near the top for awhile.


This addresses both standard elliptical and the newer multiswitch integrated elliptical dishes.

http://directv.com/imagine/pdf/MultiSatC.pdf
 

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These directions infer that a 4X4 switch is necessary. Does anyone know if a 2X4 switch will work?


Thanks!



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Thank you Ken for the link. I had the wrong B cable. I switched them and I now have C sat signal.
 

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These directions infer that a 4X4 switch is necessary. Does anyone know if a 2X4 switch will work?


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It should, I use a 2x1 and it works fine.
 

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Thanks Ken!


I got my Sat-C kit yesterday and it does owrk correctly. In fact I had no problems with my Panasonic TU-HD20S, other than it's inherent slowness of updating.


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I just received an oval dish with the integrated Eagle 4x4 multiswitch/combiner. I'd like to be able to expand this out in my basement to 8 outputs (and include an off-air antenna, as well).


Can I simply cascade a 5x8 onto the four wires coming from the dish? This would, effectively, be the triple-LNB/combiner mess going into a 4x4, and the outputs of the 4x4 going into the inputs of the 5x8.


I'm getting the impression that this might not work, that the 2nd switch might not pass the proper switching tones/voltages on to the 4x4. In fact, the manual that came with the dish said that if I wanted to add a powered switch (for longer cable runs), I'd have to "delete the internal multiswitch," and that I'd have to contact the manufacturer for information. Well, the Winegard site doesn't even mention oval dishes, as far as I can tell, so that didn't help me a bit. :(


I need to get this figured out quickly, so I can either get DTV to send me a different dish or go out and buy the right equipment before the installer gets here at the end of the month...


thanks!


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Okay, nevermind, I (finally!) found a few threads that answered the question. Guess I've gotta give DTV another call, hmph, to replace the built-in multiswitch....
 

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Can I simply cascade a 5x8 onto the four wires coming from the dish? This would, effectively, be the triple-LNB/combiner mess going into a 4x4, and the outputs of the 4x4 going into the inputs of the 5x8.


I'm getting the impression that this might not work, that the 2nd switch might not pass the proper switching tones/voltages on to the 4x4.
The answer is that it depends on the 5x8 multiswitch that you're using. The Spaun 5802 (and 51202 and 51602) will pass the appropriate tones and voltages on to the internal 4x4 switch, so they should work in this manner (I'll know for sure in the near future after I reroute some wires...). See: Spaun Tech Info for more information. For other multiswitches, it's pretty much a question of whether they pass the 22kHz tone or not.
 

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I have the eagle aspen s-5040-ce, which i believe is the newer multiswitch integrated elliptical dish. I've followed the instructions (#4 and #6) provided by the Directv Multisatc.pdf link, but I'm still not receiving SHOHD (ch. 543 or ch. 90). Actually, both channels are showing up in the guide and on-screen, but the screen says "searching for satellite..." I'm using a Sony HD-100 and have changed the antenna input to elliptical 3. I've also tried to reset the unit. but nothing seems to work. Can anyone help?:confused:
 

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ordered yesterday, installed today, quick easy, instructions in the box. HD Showtime tonight.


sometimes I look at service like this.. and I'm thankfull that I can pay for UTV, TIVO, HDTV and reg sat feeds, from a company.. that sometimes does get it right. and gets it right in WOW fashion.
 

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i got mine installed today with signal source 91% but says call ext 721 on channel 543. On channel 90 says no programing in your area. 198 says channel not available. What is up? Directv says bad access card. I have a panny tu-hds20 and a terk23 dish with sat c install kit.
 

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After looking at all the posts I found no reference to my problem. My specific problem was that the switch on my antenna does not have an input marked 18V or 13V. Instead, it is marked receiver 1 A-B and receiver 2 A-B. No reference at all to voltages. This is a new Channel Master eliptical dish delivered in January of this year.


It seemed logical that receiver 1 was the correct input, wrong. Plugged it into receiver 2 Sat B input and it almost works.


Definition of almost works is that it works on my DST3000 downstairs but there is no Sat C signal on my SDTV receiver upstairs. I guess I need to take my DST3000 up their and check it out, it is probably a receiver issue.


edit: No, it is not a receiver issue. With this type of a multiplexer I think that the standard kit gives me just one receiver.


Bachelor, As for your "bad access card" this is standard D* speak for "I don't know". Keep calling until you find someone that knows. You must purchase ShowTime in order to get SHOHD. You could however, get lucky and find someone who knows how to activate SHOHD but doesn't relize you are not buying ShowTime. It does happen....
 

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Having a little trouble with the Sat C hookup. I have the RCA oval dish and multiswitch, which actually of course are ChannelMaster. As an Oval 2 setup everything works like a charm. When I hook the Sat C in then my DST-3000 either can't determine the dish setup or decides it's a round dish. I've gone back on the roof and verified everything. The SatB 18V into the Sat C combiner, etc. Unhooked an rehooked everything. Ran a straight line of RG6 to the receiver as a test and still the same(I usually run a diplexer for cable).



I assume the multi-switch is what's referred to as "4x4" as there are 4 nputs and 4 outputs. :) The STB is the Toshiba DST-3000. Even if I set the dish type to Oval 3 manually I get no signal on the 119 or the 110 birds. The 101 always comes in fine.


Any suggestions? It seems like I've done everything correctly, but it's just not working.


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Just finished installing the Sat C LNB on the latest dish that has the multi switch built in. After prying off the plastic cap, the Sat C LNB simply plugs into the center slot . There is a female receptacle in the slot for the LNB. The hex nut provided with the kit that screws into the arm and secures the LNB did not fit because the holes didn't quite line up. I used a thinner and longer screw. So if you are going up on a roof to do this, take some extra screws, nuts , and lockwashers with you. Piece of cake and everything works


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Joseph, thanks for the advanced warning, got my C LNB last night and will install this weekend, would have really been PO'd if I got on the roof and found out the fasteners didn't fit, fat man + 2 story house/ incompetence = potential disaster!
 

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jcm,


I haven't fixed the problem yet. Although, I did get a recommendation from someone on how to fix it... Specificallly, I had used an LNB from my old round dish an placed into SatC. position on elliptical dish. As mentioned, the channels would show up on my guide, but the transponders were all reading "0". I was told that the SatC. LNB is different than a regular LNB (from round dish). Therefore, I need order a SatC. LNB from D*. I'll let you know what happens after I order, receive, and set it up again. With the new elliptical dishes (built in multiswitch), its suppose to be a snap... literally plug-n-play. Did you order your SatC. LNB through D* and still have the same problem?
 

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What did Willie wind up using for a switch? Ken's 2x1 switch must be a tone switch. The tone will route the receiver's voltage path to the correct LNB, and then the voltage itself will select the correct polarity.


All 2x4 switches are voltage switches. I don't see how one could work in that application.


Dschuetz is needlessly complicating his distribution if he cascades a 4x4 into a 5x8. Simply leave the 4x4 out of the circuit, using barrel splices. I only buy the barrell splices rated to 2Gz. They make better contact on the coax center conductor. Just make sure that you know which wires are from which LNB and which one comes from the Sat B/C diplexer. You will actually get a slightly better signal-to-noise ratio this way, though the improvement may be too small to detect.


I doubt that any of your satellite C kits were furnished with hardware that doesn't fit. I hope I am not violating a Forum rule on civility in saying this, but the moron at DirecTV who selected the screw and nut combination picked one with the screwhead on the inconvenient end (top) of the assembly. Some of you may have tried screwing it in from the bottom like the other two, but the two kits I installed had different hardware and it didn't fit that way. I installed them in the dark last week, and I had to wrestle with both of them. Whereas the Sat A and B hardware screwed from the bottom, the Sat C hardware screwed from the top. Ideally, one would use an offset screwdriver to tighten this, but I wasn't carrying one. Fortunately, I was carrying a cheap, interchangeable tip screwdriver and when I took the bit out of the handle, it just fit between the screwhead and the waveguide portion of the LNBF, so I tightened that screw using a wrench across the flats of this Phillips bit.


Also, even though I figured out how to put the hardware in, it was still a tight fit. I had to first insert a screwdriver in the bottom hole to make the LNB hole and the plastic LNB mount housing line up perfectly.
 

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Can I simply cascade a 5x8 onto the four wires coming from the dish? This would, effectively, be the triple-LNB/combiner mess going into a 4x4, and the outputs of the 4x4 going into the inputs of the 5x8. >>>>



i have the same question. i'm in a bit of a jam...i currently have a regular dish with a 2x4 mutliswitch going to 2 directivos. my new tv has an internal DTC 100, so i'l like to upgrade to a triple lnb, sending the HD satellite stream to my new receiver and in addition still send 4 feeds into my 2 directivos. i've asked 5 places and got 5 different answers.


my current theory has that i can bypass the 4x4 on the Oval Dish, run the 4 wires from the dish (with sat c) into a 5x8, and send the 5 feeds into the house (4 for the directivos, one for HD). why wouldn't this work?
 

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Joseph, thanks for the advanced warning, got my C LNB last night and will install this weekend, would have really been PO'd if I got on the roof and found out the fasteners didn't fit, fat man + 2 story house/ incompetence = potential disaster!


damn laughed so hard at this that i spit my coffee all over my keyboard
 
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