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Dish Network vip-722 can't output native resolutions? Is this a joke?

9643 Views 14 Replies 11 Participants Last post by bobby94928, Sep 5, 2009

TheStig805

Discussion Starter · Jun 25, 2008

I just got Dish Network. I lived in a house that had DirecTV for 4 years and the last year or so we have had the HR-20. I really liked the HR-20 but when I went to order it, directv informed me that I could only get the HR-21 (no tuner) and that HD locals were not available in my area.

So I got Dish and the vip-722.

I can't display my programs in their native resolutions. I have to rely on the 722's video scaler to scale everything for me.

This is a problem for 2 reasons;

1. my tv has a better scaler

2. I have to use the 722's crappy "partial zoom" feature if I want to fill my screen on SD content. I know most of you hate zooming SD content but this is my personal preference. My tv has a very nice fisheye type zoom that I like a lot better.

Is the 722 going to get native resolution output anytime soon? This is a ridiculous feature to leave off of what they call "the best DVR on the market". (So far I still like the HR-20 better.)

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Rammitinski

· #2 · Jun 25, 2008

Maybe you could simultaneously run s-video out of the 722 to the set, and switch over to that input to watch SD.(?)

Don't know if you can do that without having to change the entire output to 480i on the 722, though. Or if or how the aspect modes would be affected, either.

I know with my Sony DVR it will just take the output and scale it down automatically, while the HD output isn't affected.

krholmberg

· #3 · Jul 22, 2008

I had a 722 installed yesterday and the install guys told me to leave the output at 480i for native resolutions to be sent out. I have an external VP that was delivered on Friday so I haven't had a chance to verify... but I will soon. Hopefully that will work

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walford

· #4 · Jul 22, 2008

krholberg,

If your dish is receiving HD resolutions such as 720p and 1080i It makes absolutly no sense to down scale them to SD 480i for output. What your installer said makes no sense.

It appears that what Nitro wants is a STB that has pass through mode which apparetnlhy his Dish does STB does not support so that everyting is output at the resolution it was received at.

krholmberg

· #5 · Jul 22, 2008

I agree. I just repeated what he said.

tcat

· #6 · Jul 22, 2008

Isn't SD content 480i? Seems this is what should be going to your TV where you can do with it as you please. Or does the 722 automatically stretch? I'm getting Dish Thursday (Vip722 and VIP211)... so I hope you're wrong or they're going to fix it, although I'm just getting HD Absolute (HD channels only), so I shouldn't have to deal with it much (other than the 75% of the SD programs on HD channels!). Moving from an SA8300 that does pass-through, so I may not be happy either, although I haven't heard this complaint at DBS, so maybe there's a way around it.

My Plasma isn't 1080 native, it's like 768. Am I better off setting the VIP722 to 720i and letting the TV scale; or should I just bring in the 1080i to the TV?

Bradtothebone

· #7 · Jul 22, 2008

E* keeps saying that native passthrough is coming on the 612/622/722. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it doesn't seem to be a priority. There have been reports that the D* receivers with passthrough take a long time to change channels if the resolution changes, so that's the downside, potentially.

You can, as someone else suggested, run S-video for a simultaneous 480i feed that you can switch to for SD programming. Personally, I only use the zoom (partial) for letterboxed 16:9 programming such as "Rescue Me" on FX, and it works pretty well, IMO. I leave 4:3 material as-is, for the most part.

Brad

ncted

· #8 · Jul 23, 2008

This is a known issue with Dish HD receivers and has been for some time. I have never seen anything to indicate that it will ever be fixed. Even the best DVRs have imperfections, and the list on the HR20 is quite long. No dual live buffers for instance. In any case, you could always do what I did, and sign up for the $29.99 HD Only package. Then you rarely have to worry about it the SD issue.

Ted

tcat

· #9 · Jul 25, 2008

I just had the VIP722 installed. It does allow you to switch from 480i to 480p to 720i to 1080i... Mine is set at 1080i, and it won't automatically stretch unless you tell it to. So I don't really see a problem. How "native" does it need to be? My HD channels look like upconverted DVD quality, my SD channels (or HD with SD content) look as good as most DVD's I have (no Blu-Ray). All look better than TWC I just left.

ncted

· #10 · Jul 26, 2008

Many people would prefer that the STB just pass the native resolution: 480i, 720p, or 1080i to the TV set and let the TV set do the upconversion to its native resolution. That way, if you have a 1080p set, you only have 1 upconversion routine running, instead of 2 or more. For example:

720p signal outputing to 1080p set

The VIP722 should ideally be set to output 1080i since that is closest to the native resolution of the TV. The 722 will upconvert the 720p to 1080i. Then the set will have to upconvert the 1080i to 1080p.

If the 722 simply passed through the 720p to the TV. The only upconversion would be the TV set converting 720p directly to 1080p.

IMHO, it really does not matter than much, but some people are trying to get the absolutely best picture possible, so I cannot really blame them for shooting for the stars.

Ted

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krholmberg

· #11 · Jul 28, 2008

Tom,

I bought a separate unit that only does video processing for my front projector. I got it because this external VP allows much better control of contrast, brightness, greyscale, color, tint, gamma and gammut (saturation level). This takes a good PJ and makes it a great PJ. Not only does it do those things, but it also does upconversion and deinterlacing. Even though the one I got is considered to be a "budget" VP, it cost $899 (from AV Science

) plus shipping. Since it's main feature is upscaling and deinterlacing, it uses a much better algorithm than pretty much any TV or receiver on the market (including receivers in the $1,000 to $2,000 range). In my situation my screen is 110" so every flaw is magnified dramatically. It's reasonable to think the deinterlacing and upconversion in the VP would be much better than that done within the 722, so if the 722 could output all signals in their native resolution, the VP would most likely do a better job of doing those tasks. The VP also has a phenomenal algorithm for reducing video noise... and that really comes in handy as my PJ has a tendency to really show off video noise. Of course the only way to know is to try, but the 722 doesn't appear to allow that option.

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locomo

· #12 · Jul 29, 2008

Nitro,

There's an optional HD antenna tuner that plugs into the HR-21 that will allow you to get the locals in HD w/ Direct.

raouliii

· #13 · Sep 5, 2009

Sorry for bumping this old thread but the 722 appears to still be the current Dish receiver.

I have very little experience with either sat system but I am, as the neighborhood HD troubleshooter, expected to come up to speed, ASAP.

My neighbor just jumped from Charter cable to Dish and had a VIP722k installed and I took a quick look last night. He has a 5x" Visio plasma. It appears the installation "tech" left it set up for 480p output. He also lagged the antenna into a brand new asphalt shingled roof, but that's another story.

The only output format setup I could find in the menus is System Setup, HDTV Setup, which was set to Analog Type:Offair and TV Type:480p.

Does Analog Type only have to do with what's connected to the TV Antenna/Cable In Jack?

Is this the only output format setup required?

It appears Dish hasn't modified these boxes for native passthrough yet?

Are there different options available, via the remote maybe, to change the SD upconversion / zoom mode; pillared, linear/non-linear zoom, horizontal zoom, etc.?

Now, to figure out the DVR.

Thanks

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Scooper

· #14 · Sep 5, 2009

No native poassthru yet. OTOH - the Dish scaler seems to be pretty decent.

bobby94928

· #15 · Sep 5, 2009

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Originally Posted by raouliii /forum/post/17125169

Sorry for bumping this old thread but the 722 appears to still be the current Dish receiver.

I have very little experience with either sat system but I am, as the neighborhood HD troubleshooter, expected to come up to speed, ASAP.

My neighbor just jumped from Charter cable to Dish and had a VIP722k installed and I took a quick look last night. He has a 5x" Visio plasma. It appears the installation "tech" left it set up for 480p output. He also lagged the antenna into a brand new asphalt shingled roof, but that's another story.

The only output format setup I could find in the menus is System Setup, HDTV Setup, which was set to Analog Type:Offair and TV Type:480p.

Does Analog Type only have to do with what's connected to the TV Antenna/Cable In Jack?

Is this the only output format setup required?

It appears Dish hasn't modified these boxes for native passthrough yet?

Are there different options available, via the remote maybe, to change the SD upconversion / zoom mode; pillared, linear/non-linear zoom, horizontal zoom, etc.?

Now, to figure out the DVR.

Thanks

The Analog Type is, indeed, related to the TV/Cable input. The TV Type should be set to 1080I or 720P, whichever looks best on the display, probably 1080I. I am guessing that the TV Type is already set to 16:9.

The Format key, just to the left of the "0" on the remote will change the aspects. When you are tuned in to an HD channel, it should be set to Normal. SD upconversion is a matter of choice. I leave mine at Normal. If pillars are undesirable then I find that Partial Zoom looks best but you might think differently. To set this for all SD channels, simply tune in to an SD station and push the Format button until you get to the desirable screen and the 722 will remember to do that for any SD channel. Likewise, when you set the HD channel to Normal, it will remember that for any HD channel.

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