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I was thinking of building a bookshelf speaker.


I have narrowed to" Vapor Breeze completed already

Statement monitor

Jeff Bagby Continuum(DIY)

Jeff Bagby continuum(salk version)


I want a bookshelf speaker that sounds silky smooth. I would only need it to play low enough so I can x-over at 80hz and am most concerned with mids and highs since it would play with a sub. Does anyone have any suggestions? Remember I'm a beginner. Building a nice box would be easy enough, but I'd like to be able to just hook the wires together and go.
 

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Originally Posted by benclement11  /t/1419679/diy-bookshel-speaker-help-or-suggestions-500-1k/0_50#post_22207279


I was thinking of building a bookshelf speaker with one of the following woofers and tweeter. I just have no idea how to design a box or choose a x-over.

That's like 95% of the work - getting the box and especially the crossover workable/correct is extremely critical to the success of any speaker.
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http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/seas-woofers-6-7/seas-excel-w18e-001-e0018-7-magnesium-cone-woofer/

or
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/approx-5-woofers/seas-excel-w15cy-001-e0015-5.5-magnesium-cone-woofer/

and
http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/ribbon-tweeters/raal-70-10d-raal-ribbon-tweeter-with-optional-amorphous-core/

I want a bookshelf speaker that sounds silky smooth. Something like the Paradigm Signature line or Salk Song Tower in a bookshelf version. I would only need it to play low enough so I can x-over at 80hz and am most concerned with mids and highs since it would play with a sub. Does anyone have any suggestions? Remember I'm a beginner. Building a nice box would be easy enough, but I'd like to be able to just hook the wires together and go.

1.) If you're looking to "just hook the wires and go", you probably would do better with a kit from PE or Madisound.

2.) Read and research like crazy, and start small, if only to keep the hit to your ego and wallet at a minimum the first time (should you try your own design).

3.) Try to build an existing design in the DIY universe, not come up with your own model based on several hundred dollars worth of drivers, especially the first time out.
 

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Originally Posted by templemaners  /t/1419679/diy-bookshel-speaker-help-or-suggestions-500-1k#post_22207362


That's like 95% of the work - getting the box and especially the crossover workable/correct is extremely critical to the success of any speaker.

1.) If you're looking to "just hook the wires and go", you probably would do better with a kit from PE or Madisound.

2.) Read and research like crazy, and start small, if only to keep the hit to your ego and wallet at a minimum the first time (should you try your own design).

3.) Try to build an existing design in the DIY universe, not come up with your own model based on several hundred dollars worth of drivers, especially the first time out.

Yeah I'm probably oversimplifying it. Do you have a kit that you would recommend in the $500-$1000 range? And what would you have to pay to an internet direct company to get something of similar quality? Are you really saving a lot of money?
 

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Like templemaners was saying, the crossover is far to important to be an after thought. They may not use the exact drivers you were considering, but that isn't really important.

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/W15_Neo3.htm

http://speakerdesignworks.com/Statements_Monitor.html

http://www.zaphaudio.com/ZD5.html

http://www.audioheuristics.org/projects_gallery/ER18DXT/ER18DXT.htm

http://murphyblaster.com/content.php?f=usher2way.html


That's just a fraction of the high quality monitor designs out there. You can email www.madisound.com the crossover schematics, and they will price what it will cost to buy an assembled crossover for any design.
 

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Originally Posted by benclement11  /t/1419679/diy-bookshel-speaker-help-or-suggestions-500-1k/0_50#post_22207757


Yeah I'm probably oversimplifying it. Do you have a kit that you would recommend in the $500-$1000 range? And what would you have to pay to an internet direct company to get something of similar quality? Are you really saving a lot of money?

I've always wanted to try the ER18DXT or Statement Monitors that Jay linked to above. The Idunn kit at Madisound is also something I'd like to try (same tweeter as the ER18DXT):

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/2-way-speaker-kits/seas-idunn-2-way-speaker-kit-pair-complete/


Here's another list of some completed designs, in all shapes, sizes, and costs.
http://htguide.com/forum/showthread.php4?t=28655


I'm not sure if there's a TON of savings compared to an Internet direct supplier, especially if you have to buy tools and measurement equipment (vital to have if you make your own from scratch). Finishing the cabinet is also another cost, unless you like raw MDF or plywood.
You also have to factor in how much you value your time to spend making them. Being a hobby, most people would say your labor is free in this instance.



So, what I'm trying to say is, I wouldn't necessarily go into this as a money saving proposition.
 

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First off, here's the master list. Yes it's overwhealming, but if you're looking for specific drivers, you need a lot of places to look!
http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?211558-Links-to-existing-DIY-speaker-designs


Second, +1 to templemaners suggestion #3 - find a proven design that meets you needs is the most cost- and quality-effective option.


If you are shopping on price alone, you'll do better with low end commercial. DIY can't beat economies of scale until you're into the custom realm, and then DIY is far cheaper unless you count your time.


If you want to learn how to design speakers, go here and read the "Using Tools Together" link to see how Roman Bednarek goes about designing speakers. Note that some of the tool links (eg. Unibox) are broken...
http://www.pvconsultants.com/audio/frdgroup.htm


Finally, since you mention Salk bookshelf designs, let me point you to one of the sweetest designs out there:
http://www.salksound.com/continuum%20-%20home.htm

and for us DIYers
http://meniscusaudio.com/continuum-pr-p-1324.html

finally a recent discussion of the speaker...
http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?229141-Continuum-late-commers-and-questions


It also makes a very nice top to the Anarchy tapped horn sub.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1238398/reed-exodus-anarchy-25hz-tapped-horn/0_100


Have fun,

Frank
 

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First off, here's the master list. Yes it's overwhealming, but if you're looking for specific drivers, you need a lot of places to look!
http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?211558-Links-to-existing-DIY-speaker-designs

Second, +1 to templemaners suggestion #3 - find a proven design that meets you needs is the most cost- and quality-effective option.

If you are shopping on price alone, you'll do better with low end commercial. DIY can't beat economies of scale until you're into the custom realm, and then DIY is far cheaper unless you count your time.

If you want to learn how to design speakers, go here and read the "Using Tools Together" link to see how Roman Bednarek goes about designing speakers. Note that some of the tool links (eg. Unibox) are broken...
http://www.pvconsultants.com/audio/frdgroup.htm

Finally, since you mention Salk bookshelf designs, let me point you to one of the sweetest designs out there:
http://www.salksound.com/continuum%20-%20home.htm

and for us DIYers
http://meniscusaudio.com/continuum-pr-p-1324.html

finally a recent discussion of the speaker...
http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?229141-Continuum-late-commers-and-questions

It also makes a very nice top to the Anarchy tapped horn sub.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1238398/reed-exodus-anarchy-25hz-tapped-horn/0_100

Have fun,

Frank

The Jeff Bagbt or the statements look like something I would like to try. Without reading through pages and pages of threads....is there anything out there that would show step by step for how to put them together? How to assemble the crossover and the plans for the box. As you can tell I'm very fresh. I want to give this a shot and I want to make my first attempt at something that is quality. I would be willing to take my time to do it right, but I learn best when I can see it planed out nicely. Do this, this and this. Cut hole here...make box this tall and etc. Maybe wishful thinking but thought I would ask. If not, then I will buckle down and read. But if there is a clear cut guide to either of these designs that would be awesome. Thanks for all of your time answering my questions. I envy those of you with the "know how" and skill to whip something like that up without much guidance.

http://meniscusaudio.com/continuum-pr-p-1324.html
 

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Originally Posted by saabracer23  /t/1419679/diy-bookshel-speaker-help-or-suggestions-500-1k#post_22211320


Again, not DIY but I'd go for the Vapor Audio Breeze, a tad over your budget though well worth it.
http://www.vaporsound.com/#all

Top notch speaker, using too notch drivers. The pair would almost cost that much if you bought the parts yourself, but come in beautiful cabinets.

Dan

I'll offer to do a kit version with the same drivers and save you quite a bit of $ over the assembled Breeze. The problem is that the Nomex cone version of the woofer has been delayed due to a change in the cone supplier. A really good alternative would be the Seas U16 which is an excellent driver for the $. In order to use the 70-10D with a 5" woofer you need one with a smooth upper response that can handle a higher crossover point.
 

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The Jeff Bagbt or the statements look like something I would like to try.

The Statements Monitors require at least 12" of space behind the rear of the speaker to operate properly, so they would not be appropriate for putting on a shelf.


If you want something to put on a bookshelf, you need to look for a design that has a 'near-wall' crossover design. For example, if you look at Curt's AviaTrix MT design (Curt also designed the Statements Monitors ), he provided a crossover alternative for near wall placement. The crossover modification addresses the Baffle Step Compensation (BSC) necessary when the speaker is placed near a wall.

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Without reading through pages and pages of threads....is there anything out there that would show step by step for how to put them together? How to assemble the crossover and the plans for the box.

Most designers include details on box construction, so once you find a design you like you'll have that info available. They will also provide a schematic for the crossover - you'll need to look on-line for a tutorial on how to solder if you want to put it together yourself. A lot of the designs have a least one build thread on a forum somewhere; while the build threads aren't exactly 'how-to' info, they do have pictures and information about putting everything together. For example, here are some links to my build threads: my AviaTrix MTM build on HTGuide and my AviaTrix TM build on AVS . A keyword search on the forums would probably turn up a couple of build threads for just about any design you selected.


BTW - I used the AviaTrix as an example because the AviaTrix happens to be the design I built to solve the same problem you have (a high quality DIY design to put on a bookshelf). They are under your budget, but excellent sounding speakers. Just so you know.
 

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The Statements Monitors require at least 12" of space behind the rear of the speaker to operate properly, so they would not be appropriate for putting on a shelf.

If you want something to put on a bookshelf, you need to look for a design that has a 'near-wall' crossover design. For example, if you look at Curt's AviaTrix MT design (Curt also designed the Statements Monitors ), he provided a crossover alternative for near wall placement. The crossover modification addresses the Baffle Step Compensation (BSC) necessary when the speaker is placed near a wall.

Most designers include details on box construction, so once you find a design you like you'll have that info available. They will also provide a schematic for the crossover - you'll need to look on-line for a tutorial on how to solder if you want to put it together yourself. A lot of the designs have a least one build thread on a forum somewhere; while the build threads aren't exactly 'how-to' info, they do have pictures and information about putting everything together. For example, here are some links to my build threads: my AviaTrix MTM build on HTGuide and my AviaTrix TM build on AVS . A keyword search on the forums would probably turn up a couple of build threads for just about any design you selected.

BTW - I used the AviaTrix as an example because the AviaTrix happens to be the design I built to solve the same problem you have (a high quality DIY design to put on a bookshelf). They are under your budget, but excellent sounding speakers. Just so you know.

I don't want to put on a shelf...I just want a "bookshelf" sized speaker. Or monitor or whatever you want to call it. I prefer a book shelf over an actual floor standing design. My room is smaller and I sit relatively close to the speakers(8ft)
 

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If it were you what would you go with of the below? I want something that can x-over at 80hz and just immerses you in sound and I don't need a powerful receiver/amp to get them going. I've gotten a lot of recommendations and have made a list of what looks and sound interesting.


Vapor Breeze

Jeff Bagby Continuum(DIY)

Jeff Bagby Continuum(salk version)

statement monitors

this scan speak kit from madisound compare. These

http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/2-way-speaker-kits/scanspeak-rediscovery-loudspeaker-kit-pair
 

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You've set the bar pretty high in terms of appearance. Do you have much woodworking experience? How are you set up for tools?

I want to pay someone to build or finish the cabinet. I realize I might not be saving much over buying ID if I do that...but I want it to look good(so, I guess that's a no).

Do you have an opinion on the different set-ups I listed? The Salk WOW1 looks interesting too, but I really want to see what the ribbon tweeter is all about which why I'm leaning toward the statements or vapor breeze. I just need someone to verify what they think would be the best value.
 

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Your budget is a bit off..


RAAL tweeter - 389.00 x 2 = roughly 800

Sea Woofer - 222.55 x 2 = roughly 450


Tweeters and woofers are already at 1250, No cabs, binding post and crossover yet...
 

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Your budget is a bit off..

RAAL tweeter - 389.00 x 2 = roughly 800

Sea Woofer - 222.55 x 2 = roughly 450

Tweeters and woofers are already at 1250, No cabs, binding post and crossover yet...

The guy above listed them as an option so I thought they were in the ballpark. I was looking at the build he linked, but it doesn't list price. Where would you buy the parts to build these at? I can go a bit over. $1000 is where I would like to be, but if it is worth it go a few hundo over...so be it.

http://www.speakerdesignworks.com/Statements_Monitor_2.html



EDIT: I see where you are at...looks like you didn't actually read through the entire thread. It has evolved quite a bit from my first post after getting some suggestions. My pricing in the subject line was where I'd prefer to be. I'm super new so I'm trying to get as much direction as I can. Since I have never heard any of these designs I'm trying to pick the best one.
 

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This is what I want to build. I want this look with the same driver and ribbon tweeter. I found this at Fritz speakers. I could probably build something like this for around $1500? Any idea what design he's using?

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