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DIY Parkland Pollywall; When projects go wrong!

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Approximately 4 years ago, I purchased my very first projector. Without very much money and lots of ambition, I decided to build a DIY screen. The screen consisted of a wood frame, thin melamine backing laminated with an off white Wilsonart Laminate. It worked awesome for the 4 years I owned the projector. The screen improved contrast perception and was very durable.


Approximately 3 months ago, I decided to upgrade my old 4:3 projector with a new 16:9 projector (PLV-Z4). Again, I was tight on cash after the projector purchase, so I decided to build a 16:9 screen for it. Basically I would use the same design with a flat white laminate instead of the off white I had used previously. The new projector has a much better contrast ratio, and I wanted brighter colors than I had with the gray screen. Unfortunately, both Home Depot and Lowes scaled back on their laminates. They stock nothing but glossy and decorative finishes. To custom order a piece of flat white laminate from Wilsonart, it would cost $80.00+ in shipping costs alone. Thus, I started exploring my options.


In the siding section of Home Depot, I found exactly what I was looking for, Pollywall! I had never seen it before but read good things about it on the AVS. Having similar characteristic to laminate, I purchase a piece.


Following the directions on the Pollywall, I purchased a gallon of Liquid Nails and an application trowel. Using the trowel, I applied a semi-even coat of Liquid Nails to the thin melamine board. Then, I attached the laminate to the board and used a roller to smooth everything out. I laid the screen face down in the living room and let it set for a week to dry.


A week goes buy and I inspect the screen. WTF! It appears that I didn’t get an even enough coat. The Pollywall was bumpy. Furthermore, I could see the Liquid Nails through the Pollywall since it slightly transparent. At that moment, I knew I would have to start over. See, Liquid nails is about the stickiest and messiest crap on this planet. Hell, I threw away the trowel because it was cheaper to buy another than use 2 ½ gallons of mineral spirits to clean it off. In a relief of anger, I fired up my chainsaw and cut the screen in to small pieces. It felt good!


DIY Screen, take #2: OK, so I learned my lesson with Liquid Nails. It’s damn near impossible to get a smooth enough coat. Plus, it shows through the Pollywall. I head to Home Depot and purchase more lumber and another sheet of Pollywall. This time, I decide to apply it using the same method I did with the laminate. I purchased a bunch of wooden dowels and a tub of rubber cement. Since rubber cement dried semi-transparent, I figured it would be ideal for applying the Pollywall.


The second screen went much quicker because I didn’t even have to look at the plans when making the cuts. After all, it was identical to the one I just made. The next weekend, I applied the laminate using the wooden dowels and rubber cement. It went on perfect! Again, I used the roller to smooth everything out and laid it on its face in the living room. Periodically I would visually inspect the screen while it dried. Everything looked nice and flat.


I decided to order my velvet online. Joanne Fabrics had a poor selection of velvet. $55.00 and 7 days later, the velvet was delivered and installed. I finished the screen off with some stained oak crown molding on the edges; it was beautiful!


The next week, I aligned the projector and screen. Using my AVIA disc, I calibrated the image the best I could. The screen was gorgeous; my friends were amazed by the craftsmanship that I put into the screen and how much brighter the image was compared to the old screen. It felt good to impress everyone with my craftsmanship.


10 movies and 2 months later, the weather starts to get nice. I spend less time watching movies and more time working in the yard. One day, I walk past the screen and notice something odd about it. The screen has a very faint shadow on it (like it was dirty). Upon further inspection, I noticed that the screen had started to bubble and peel away from the melamine. CRAP!


After much reading online, it appears that the Pollywall expands and contract significantly with temperature change. This week alone, it has expanded enough to actually peel itself away from the melamine approximately 2 inches on the edges. CRAP AGAIN!


After going over my finances and calculating the total costs of the DIY screen project, I decided to purchase a new screen instead of making another. When I factor in the time it took to make it and the materials involved, the screen was insignificantly less expensive than purchasing one.


The moral of this story is: Don’t make the same mistakes I did! If you use Pollywall as a screen, allow for it to shrink and expand. Furthermore, if you use a chainsaw on your screen, please wear approved eye protection. Remember, huffing fumes from rubber cement will get you high but will likely give you a headache in the morning…


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some funny crap here kiddies. lol -- made my nite. thanks
LOL - I would pay $ to see the home video of that chainsaw in action! Sorry for your troubles, I used 3M 90 adhesive on pegboard a few years back and have had no problems. Not sure about the expanding and contracting - mine is in the bed room -- at times it gets quite heated :) -- but overall the temp is the same, no problems. I would rather go to the dentist than play around with 10 feet of rubber cement or liquid nails!
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LOL - I would pay $ to see the home video of that chainsaw in action! Sorry for your troubles, I used 3M 90 adhesive on pegboard a few years back and have had no problems. Not sure about the expanding and contracting - mine is in the bed room -- at times it gets quite heated :) -- but overall the temp is the same, no problems. I would rather go to the dentist than play around with 10 feet of rubber cement or liquid nails!
Hmmm, how much? Remember, I do have a second screen... :)


This weekend, I will make an attempt to salvage the screen by carefully disassembling it and reapplying the Pollywall using some 3M 90 adhesive. Now that things have settled and the laminate has expanded, it will probably be OK. The crown molding will likely have to be replaced. I used a finishing gun to affix it to the screen. Then, I puttied over the nail holes. It will not come off easily (without damage). The velvet boarders will be simple to remove. I affixed them using a staple gun.


I have already ordered a replacement screen, but it hasn’t shipped as of today. If I can salvage the screen, I might cancel the order. Then again, I might not. I purchased a 110†Carada screen. It is significantly larger than my DIY screen (92") after you factor in the velvet borders. I have plenty of living room space, so it might behoove me to keep the larger screen and donate the DIY screen to a local enthusiast or non-profit organization. We’ll see…
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I built a screen two years ago out of the Parkland Plastics material. I backed the Parkland with a fibre board 1/4 inch thick. I used Henry's adheasive to attach the Parkland to the backer board. After two years the screen is still flush, no bubbles, and is still firmly attached to the backerboard.


When the time comes to build the new screen, I plan to use the same material.
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Hmmm, how much? Remember, I do have a second screen... :)


This weekend, I will make an attempt to salvage the screen by carefully disassembling it and reapplying the Pollywall using some 3M 90 adhesive. Now that things have settled and the laminate has expanded, it will probably be OK. The crown molding will likely have to be replaced. I used a finishing gun to affix it to the screen. Then, I puttied over the nail holes. It will not come off easily (without damage). The velvet boarders will be simple to remove. I affixed them using a staple gun.


I have already ordered a replacement screen, but it hasn’t shipped as of today. If I can salvage the screen, I might cancel the order. Then again, I might not. I purchased a 110†Carada screen. It is significantly larger than my DIY screen (92") after you factor in the velvet borders. I have plenty of living room space, so it might behoove me to keep the larger screen and donate the DIY screen to a local enthusiast or non-profit organization. We’ll see…
Well... 1$ for a 5 minute divX copy, 2$ for a live stream or 5$ if any Parkland kickback went flying through your patio door so that I could submit it to America's Funniest for $10K! I know - I'm cheap - that's why I'm using a Parkland ;) and may be doing another soon (if I can infiltrate the "family room").


I have a feeling your ordered screen will perform better than the Parkland, so if you didnt have plans with the money - I would let it come in and do a comparison. I dont have any experience with Carada, but I would assume they have a decent return policy of some type if you can live the size and performance differences. Good luck.
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Well, it looks like my Carada screen is on the FedEx truck. Damn you Carada for being efficient! ;). I will still try to salvage the old screen this weekend, so I can compare the two side by side. If the Carada screen looks better, I will probably give away my Pollywall screen. Then again, I could always buy a projector for the bedroom, hmmm...
Yeah its a thought. Head over to eBay and get you a 4805 for around $600 - with the Parkland would make a nice combo. It's a nice option to be able to kick back and watch a movie or the news before crashing out every now and then.
I'd like to hear your impressions of the comparison between the Carada and the Parkland. I just tried 3 samples of the Carada material taped in the middle of my Parkland and the two white ones literally just disappeared. I moved to within 3 feet of the screen and could not make out the Carada material whatsoever, it was that close a match to the Parkland on my setup!


My eye was constantly drawn to the grey sample, I don't know if it was just because it was so much darker, or because the blacks were so much better. This is with a Sony HS10, LCD Projector.
I made the liquid nail mistake with my first Parkland attempt. Looked great until the crap dried....then I had dark, raised lines up and down the screen.


I wound up just putting another piece of Parkland over the top of the first one. Mounted it with drywall screws across the top, stretched it as tightly as I could and screwed it in the rest of the way around.

I figured it would sag eventually, but after 2+ years it's still flat.
Familiar with Durotherm? It is parkland with a stiffer backing.

Available at Menards.
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I'd like to hear your impressions of the comparison between the Carada and the Parkland. I just tried 3 samples of the Carada material taped in the middle of my Parkland and the two white ones literally just disappeared. I moved to within 3 feet of the screen and could not make out the Carada material whatsoever, it was that close a match to the Parkland on my setup!


My eye was constantly drawn to the grey sample, I don't know if it was just because it was so much darker, or because the blacks were so much better. This is with a Sony HS10, LCD Projector.
I purchased a 110" Brillian White screen from Carada. The build quality of the Carada screen is top notch, but the image quality is only comparable. I was hoping to see a noticable difference, but I didn't. Side by side the Carada screen looks exactly the same as my DIY Polywall screen (without wrinkles).


Either way, I'm planning to keep the Carada screen. It will be much easy to transport if I move again. As time permits, I will repair the other screen and give it to my friend. He's been looking for an excuse to purchase a projector; a free screen should push him over the edge. Like and alcoholic, I have an overwhelming urge to share my addiction, *er* hobby. :)
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Familiar with Durotherm? It is parkland with a stiffer backing.

Available at Menards.
I will check into Durotherm. The closest Menards is in South Dakota. I'm in Oregon :)
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