There's plenty of middle ground for a high end, high efficiency kit, they just don't get ordered. In the big SEOS thread we discussed designing some much higher end speakers but most people thought their spending limits would be around $600. The Maximus-12 was a really good design in that price range done by Jeff Bagby and only about 6-8 people built them. It used a very nice sounding compression driver, top of the line B&C midrange and the custom Magnum-12 woofer that two manufacturers were using in some speakers costing over $10k.id want fidelity in the arena of 1500-2000 per pair bookshelves like a Sierra 2ex, ls50/R3, BMR, but in a high efficiency design…. Or, I’d spend the extra to get that level of fidelity and high efficiency if it was a bit above that but DIY.
DIYSG, historical hasn’t moved a lot of kits in that type of price point. Hence my curiosity about where the fidelity is at the price point they hit…. Maybe there isn’t a middle ground between DIYSG high efficiency designs, and an M2. I have no idea, lol! But fun to try and figure out. The measurements are key though to know how to compare so many speakers when you can’t personally listen to each!
thanks for weighing in Erich, I remember the discussion back then, and it really did seem like it was something folks "wanted", but not enough to actually purchase...There's plenty of middle ground for a high end, high efficiency kit, they just don't get ordered. In the big SEOS thread we discussed designing some much higher end speakers but most people thought their spending limits would be around $600. The Maximus-12 was a really good design in that price range done by Jeff Bagby and only about 6-8 people built them. It used a very nice sounding compression driver, top of the line B&C midrange and the custom Magnum-12 woofer that two manufacturers were using in some speakers costing over $10k.
Jeff spent 6 months on the design and the run of 12" woofers cost more than my car when new. The bummer is that DIY guys only used about 20 out of the 200 woofers. An audio company that no one's really heard of selling completed speakers for $7500 used 3-4 times that amount in a speaker that I didn't think was as good. So that audio company sold $500,000 of assembled speakers in the same time the DIY guys ordered $6000 in kits. That was an eye opener for sure. The Maximus-12 didn't go away because it was a bad speaker, unfortunately it went away because it was a DIY kit that didn't get ordered very often. Kinda sad.
5 years ago I talked to two manufacturers about plate amps for active style speaker kits. I've got some nice high end woofer samples and probably every brand of compression driver you can buy sitting here on a shelf. I even have four custom Beryllium diaphragm samples for the DNA-360 and B&C DE-250. But the cost of the project would be huge and I don't think it would ever break even.
I realize some of that is no advertising. But most of it is because the DIY market is incredibly small and even smaller for those types of speakers, especially expensive ones. Believe it or not Overnight Sensations are still the best sellers by far and people like them even though their response is pretty rough. So if a $600 high output full range kit using great parts (designed by Jeff Bagby) can't move the needle, I'm not sure what would for that type of kit.
There's also about $35 in the price of a 1099 kit to cover "free shipping", but having just one person here in kits helps keep costs down. They are very time consuming so my sister used to help count out all the little parts, cut gaskets, inspect woofers, wrap midranges, etc.Honestly, I don't know how you guys are breaking even on the 1099 kit. I mean, I know you aren't losing money and I know that your goal isn't to spend countless hours selling products and designs to not get any profit whatsoever... but I can't imagine it being much at all with everything the 1099 kit comes with.
Distill is a free Chrome extension that will notify you of page changes you wish to monitor, so long as you leave your computer open and Chrome running. The offline version is fee based.Outstanding review! These speakers have been my favorite since joining this forum even though I have yet to get my hands on a set. Just the thought of building my own set from scratch has been a project I've yet to cross off my list. These things are so elusive!! Can't tell you the amount of times I have checked for updates on flatpacks or the entire LCR kit.