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So it seems that DLP is the new hotness when it comes to TV sets.


Except when it comes to videogames..



Should I even be considering a DLP TV for playing videogames or is the screen lag so bad on every DLP out there that I should just stay away from them?


Are there proven models out there that suffer no screen lag at all or is it a problem across the board for every single DLP out there?


I play games that require timing, so any sort of screen lag would destroy me.
 

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Overview:


The game lag problem -- the video is displayed too late compared to the controller input -- is associated mostly with certain Samsung DLP sets, notably the HLR 67w series. For example, "I took my Xbox up to the local Best Buy and hooked it up to 4 different TV's to test for the lag. I used MVP 2005 as my test game for 2 reasons. One, it is a 720p game. Two, the pitching meter is the easiest way for me to check the lag. I tried to DLP sets (the Sammy HLR5667W and a Toshiba) and two LCD projection sets (a Panasonic and Sony). The only set out of the 4 that had noticable lag was the Sammy."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5995887


For 480i sources in particular, some HDTVs have lag as a result of the deinterlacing process. Some possible ways to fix this:

1) use a VGA box. Ref: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=558125

2) use the TV's Game Mode, if available, which may or may not also fix the lag at HD resolutions. TV-specific information on Game Modes is posted below.


The following are user reports of game lag or the lack thereof on their DLP TVs:


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Toshiba DLP:

__HMX94:

[comment: has Game Mode, removes lag on 480i sources effectively]


"...Toshiba 52HMX94 (though the same would apply to the 62HMX94). This is a quote right from the manual that came with the TV:

"You can use the Game Mode feature for shorter frame delays

when playing a video game requiring split-second timing

between the on-screen display and input from the controller

(such as music creation and high-action games).

It really does work, the best way to test it is with a football game or any game with a power meter (golf swing meter or free throws basketball games) that requires split second timing. I tried Madden 2003 on the gamecube through s-video (480i of course) with game mode off and had the lag. When I turned game mode on the lag went away and I was able to kick properly. I also tested other games and it worked the same for all of them. "
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5972208


"...with the Toshiba 52HMX94 (or 62HMX94 for that matter), game mode eliminates the lag. Any s-video, or composite (yellow, red, white RCA hookups) signals are in 480i which is the reason for game mode. I tested this to death (ask the wife) and can say without a doubt that any 480i game on this TV will not lag with Game Mode turned on."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post6034165


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Samsung DLP:

HLP:

[comment: no Game Mode, reported lag with 480i and MVP '05 in HD]


"My XRGB-2+was delivered today (from lik-sang), I had ordered it to eliminate lag on 480i sources on my Samsung HLP4663. I can confirm that it works as advertised, the lag is gone."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post6019301


"I have the samsung HL-P5685W and have had problems with MVP 05 also. I solved the problem by dropping the resolution setting on the Xbox. That solved the pitching meter issue. I never had any problems with halo 2... I have been playing ESPN MLB 2k5 and haven't had any problems with that on the pitching meters or the batting. I also had NCAA 06... but the kicking meter was perfect with no lag there."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5982346

HLR __67w:

[comment: no Game Mode(*), widely reported problem with lag from all sources]

(*) "Game" input appears to be for labeling inputs only and does not appear to remove lag. No mention of Game Mode in the manual. Ref: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5967301


"i've got a samsung 5067 and there is gaming lag. i have an xbox and ps2 connected by component cables. it doesnt matter if the game is running at 480p or 720p, the lag is there. Just try MVP 2005 on Xbox w/ 720p enabled. it is real easy to notice the lag with the pitching meter. if you don't play precise timing sensitive games, it isnt going to matter, but games like MVP, Hot Shots, Taiko Drum Master are going to be tough, if not impossible to play."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5970103


"I have a HLR5667W and I have the lag w/Halo2 in 720p mode... renamed the input to the "GAME" pre-set label and I think it helped a little, but the best example of the lag is when I'm playing Xbox live, I have the headset hooked up and hear the audio coming out of the headset a split second before it comes out of the tv"
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5966975


"I bought a HLR5667W about a month ago. I had noticable lag on several of my games including MVP 2004/2005 which are 720p games. I called Samsung support and spent hours viewing this board looking for ideas. Nothing really helped."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5972479

HLR __68w (1080p):

[has Game Mode, may not remove lag completely]


"Playing StarWars Battlefront [on 6168] I did not notice a problem. Playing Forza I noticed I was over steering. After about five laps I was able to compensate with out noticing. Note I did have the input set to Game on the 6168 which I dont believe makes a difference since the Xbox is outputting at 480p."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5931947


[edited 2005.08.16. 480i lag correction, Sammy HLP info, etc]
 

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Originally Posted by shunx
"I took my Xbox up to the local Best Buy and hooked it up to 4 different TV's to test for the lag. I used MVP 2005 as my test game for 2 reasons. One, it is a 720p game. Two, the pitching meter is the easiest way for me to check the lag. I tried to DLP sets (the Sammy HLR5667W and a Toshiba) and two LCD projection sets (a Panasonic and Sony). The only set out of the 4 that had noticable lag was the Sammy."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5995887


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Toshiba DLP:


"...Toshiba 52HMX94 (though the same would apply to the 62HMX94). This is a quote right from the manual that came with the TV:

"You can use the Game Mode feature for shorter frame delays

when playing a video game requiring split-second timing

between the on-screen display and input from the controller

(such as music creation and high-action games).

It really does work, the best way to test it is with a football game or any game with a power meter (golf swing meter or free throws basketball games) that requires split second timing. I tried Madden 2003 on the gamecube through s-video (480i of course) with game mode off and had the lag. When I turned game mode on the lag went away and I was able to kick properly. I also tested other games and it worked the same for all of them. "
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5972208



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Samsung DLP


67w series:

"i've got a samsung 5067 and there is gaming lag. i have an xbox and ps2 connected by component cables. it doesnt matter if the game is running at 480p or 720p, the lag is there. Just try MVP 2005 on Xbox w/ 720p enabled. it is real easy to notice the lag with the pitching meter. if you don't play precise timing sensitive games, it isnt going to matter, but games like MVP, Hot Shots, Taiko Drum Master are going to be tough, if not impossible to play."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5970103


"I have a HLR5667W and I have the lag w/Halo2 in 720p mode... renamed the input to the "GAME" pre-set label and I think it helped a little, but the best example of the lag is when I'm playing Xbox live, I have the headset hooked up and hear the audio coming out of the headset a split second before it comes out of the tv"
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5966975


"I bought a HLR5667W about a month ago. I had noticable lag on several of my games including MVP 2004/2005 which are 720p games. I called Samsung support and spent hours viewing this board looking for ideas. Nothing really helped."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5972479


68w series:

"Playing StarWars Battlefront [on 6168] I did not notice a problem. Playing Forza I noticed I was over steering. After about five laps I was able to compensate with out noticing. Note I did have the input set to Game on the 6168 which I dont believe makes a difference since the Xbox is outputting at 480p."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post5931947

[remark: Samsung Game Mode is not shown here to be effective]



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For 480i sources, all HDTV (DLP,LCD,etc) seem to have some lag. Solution:

VGA box (for sets with VGA input):

"My XRGB-2+was delivered today (from lik-sang), I had ordered it to eliminate lag on 480i sources on my Samsung HLP4663. I can confirm that it works as advertised, the lag is gone."
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&post6019301
Cool, still have not seen anyone complain about video game lag on a Samsung with a HD2+ chip and 7 segment color wheel.
 

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Great post Shunx, it would be great to put that in a topic with a sticky.


Though I do disagree with one of the topics you copied, the one that says:


"For 480i sources, all HDTV (DLP,LCD,etc) seem to have some lag. Solution:"


That isn't true with the Toshiba 52HMX94 (or 62HMX94 for that matter), game mode eliminates the lag. Any s-video, or composite (yellow, red, white RCA hookups) signals are in 480i which is the reason for game mode. I tested this to death (ask the wife) and can say without a doubt that any 480i game on this TV will not lag with Game Mode turned on.


Other then that your post is excellent and gathered a ton of great information. Nice job!
 

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I have a 60in lcdrp and have no lag issues with 480i input on it. The lag problem is model specific to a certain Samsung set. The newer Samsungs have had no lag complaints. I've never seen or heard of a lag issue with any other set either.
 

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Originally Posted by Shaner1
Great post Shunx, it would be great to put that in a topic with a sticky.
I'm not sure this subject matter is very relevant for the rear projection forum in general, but I do think that a sticky about lags should be made for the Home Theater Gaming forum.

Quote:
"For 480i sources, all HDTV (DLP,LCD,etc) seem to have some lag. Solution:"


That isn't true with the Toshiba 52HMX94 (or 62HMX94 for that matter), game mode eliminates the lag. Any s-video, or composite (yellow, red, white RCA hookups) signals are in 480i which is the reason for game mode. I tested this to death (ask the wife) and can say without a doubt that any 480i game on this TV will not lag with Game Mode turned on.
Thanks for the reminder. Post is edited.
 
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