my 8 year old paradigm ps-1000 v3 no longer sounds as tight and controlled in its new room. is it the larger volume space or a deterioration from time and use? do the enclosures loosen after time? driver? can i screw it down again? has technology moved on to create tighter more controlled subs since ive been in the market. research shows this was a midrange sub at best when new. i am looking for all the right behaviors for music first then movies in a 26x17x9 room.
Do subs lose performance over time?
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That's a lot of space for a 10" 175 watt sub o fill. Combine that with you could be sitting in a null and it equals a big lack of bass. EQing the sub will help but you'll need a bigger sub that moves a lot more air to really get things going. No matter what sub you get if it's not EQed you could have nulls and/or peaks that cause uneven bass.
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It's the larger room. More room means more sub.
Funny you ask this. I just pulled my Klipsch SW-12 from 1993 into the bedroom, and it still thumps pretty good. It easily gets deep and loud enough that I can't turn it up anymore without hurting my ears. That being said, I've started looking at some newer subs to see if I'm missing anything. Are they better?? Is one with DSP and/or equalizer control gonna be better?? I thought auditioning differences between speakers was hard, but differences between subs is near impossible. I think upgraditis has hit me and I can easily afford a new sub, but I really wonder if in 2 or 3 weeks, the novelty will wear off and I'll be like, it's not that much better. Keep in mind this is for a bedroom sound system which is 80%+ music. I like a little thump and tight bass, but once the sub starts overpowering the mids and highs, I hate it.
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I have a 10+ year old Paradigm PS1200, and I'm in the same boat so to speak. I was wondering the same thing as you. Do the newer subs have that 8-10 year tech behind them that new A/V eq usually benefits from? I'm looking at either a Epik Legend or HSU VTF-3 MK 2 as a replacement.
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You are a perfect customer for a Rythmik sealed unit.
You are a perfect customer for a Rythmik sealed unit.
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with normal use, unless the surround on the driver goes bad the only other thing I can think of is power supply capacitors. Some last seemingly forever, some go bad in a few years. But if they go bad a lot of times you will blow a fuse and/or if you take the amp out you can see one or more have been leaking or are swollen.
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To answer your question no they don't but...you hearing gets worse so that you are required to add more and more subs until you are just a deaf little man sitting alone in a room surrounded by speakers and subs![]()
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As if on cue, I am down to two. The rythmik f12se with silver cone (backordered) or the SVS SB-12 NSD. The SVS is $350 cheaper, but I love the look of the rythmik with the silver cone. Power seems close. I'm waiting for a response back from rythmik as to how long the back order will be.
fenderu2 -- IMHO there is no choice. The Rythmik F12SE is a much better sub, from a linearity and sound quality perspective. The SVS SB-12NSD is a good quality sub and may be able to play louder, but it is no match for the audio quality of the F12SE. Either one should be better than your SW-12, and both will output to lower frequencies.
I will, likely, have to replace my Velodyne UDL-15, vintage 1987, soon. The only two subs that I am considering (low frequency sound quality is my primary requirement) is the Rythmik D15SE or the Seaton Submersive. The latter is about twice the price and about twice the size. In my case, it's a no brainer, It's the D15SE which will outperform my UDL-15, and is actually in a slightly smaller cabinet, as well as fitting my budget.
I will, likely, have to replace my Velodyne UDL-15, vintage 1987, soon. The only two subs that I am considering (low frequency sound quality is my primary requirement) is the Rythmik D15SE or the Seaton Submersive. The latter is about twice the price and about twice the size. In my case, it's a no brainer, It's the D15SE which will outperform my UDL-15, and is actually in a slightly smaller cabinet, as well as fitting my budget.
Just Curious, Have you heard both subs? I have an SB12nsd and overall its an amazing performer with both music and movies alike. I listen to a wide variety of music ranging from jazz to pop and the SVS has never missed a beat. It also performs admirbly with movies compared to my PB12plus as well and behaves when pushed to and past its limits. At $350 less than the rythmik F12 SE I find this sub hard to overlook as I also considered these two subs in addition to the Emotiva Ultra 12.
With the current backorder, the SVS in Gloss Piano is a great deal and should not be overlooked. It seems as if not many have actually heard the SVS so I am axious to read audiohaulics upcoming reveiw. I have also started a thread on AH pushing for a sealed 12inch sub shootout to see how they compare to each other.
Either way IF the Rythmic has better SQ then so be it, but to say it is MUCH BETTER might be a stretch. Besides, if the last Audiohaulic shootout is any indication, the SVS may compare better than you think.
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Just Curious, Have you heard both subs? I have an SB12nsd and overall its an amazing performer with both music and movies alike. I listen to a wide variety of music ranging from jazz to pop and the SVS has never missed a beat. It also performs admirbly with movies compared to my PB12plus as well and behaves when pushed to and past its limits. At $350 less than the rythmik F12 SE I find this sub hard to overlook as I also considered these two subs in addition to the Emotiva Ultra 12.
With the current backorder, the SVS in Gloss Piano is a great deal and should not be overlooked. It seems as if not many have actually heard the SVS so I am axious to read audiohaulics upcoming reveiw. I have also started a thread on AH pushing for a sealed 12inch sub shootout to see how they compare to each other.
Either way IF the Rythmic has better SQ then so be it, but to say it is MUCH BETTER might be a stretch. Besides, if the last Audiohaulic shootout is any indication, the SVS may compare better than you think.
kesando -- You may be entirely correct, since I haven't heard either of those two subs. However, based on my experience with my Velodyne ULD-15 (sealed, 15" servo driven sub) in a difficult (acoustically) room, I would think that the F12SE would be the better choice, IMHO.
However, SVS does make good subs, and their new line of sealed subs are supposed to be very good. Their reputation is based on their line of ported subs, and that won't necessarily translate to their new sealed versions. It's just that well designed servo controlled subs tend to have less distortion and cleaner bass.
However, SVS does make good subs, and their new line of sealed subs are supposed to be very good. Their reputation is based on their line of ported subs, and that won't necessarily translate to their new sealed versions. It's just that well designed servo controlled subs tend to have less distortion and cleaner bass.
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this is all the more reason why I would love to see a mid priced sealed sub shootout. Max SPL is cool but it would be nice to see an SQ based comparison between the SVS, Rythmik, Emotiva, ED, Epik, etc.
With Rythmik releasing strong ported subs and SVS with new sealed offerings, I would love to see how Servo and DSP based subs stack up against dual driver or traditional designs.
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There are many great choices out there worth checking out. What ever you choose will make you happy
With Rythmik releasing strong ported subs and SVS with new sealed offerings, I would love to see how Servo and DSP based subs stack up against dual driver or traditional designs.
There are many great choices out there worth checking out. What ever you choose will make you happy
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