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With all the hoopla around the new fixed pixel units - which is all we hear about these days and which of course is just what their manufacturers want, considering how expensive they are - it's easy to lose sight of tried and true triple-gun CRT technology.


IMHO, it is still the best. It still has the best blacks, it does 1080i effortlessly, (and could do 1080p just as well), and the color range and depth when properly set up and calibrated has always been thrilling. And size? When fully calibrated, it allows for viewers to sit far closer than most fixed pixel technology, delivering an essentially BIGGER picture to be watching, and losing yourself in. Isn't that really what it's all about?


Try to sit that close to fixed pixel technology and much of the time you are staring individual pixels in the face, with massive screendoor effect. CRT is the only medium where its smoothness and yet incredibly high resolution contributes to exquisite detail, without the artificial crispness of most of today's fixed pixel technologies.



Yet videophiles right and left are abandoning their CRT RPTVs in favor of the newer fixed pixel stuff. It's saddening. They have no idea what they are losing. CRT RPTVs can be kept looking better than new for 20 years or more when treated right. And produce better images, all that time, than most fixed pixel technology.


Both Pioneer and Hitachi have already discontinued CRT RPTV production. At CES this year I saw NO CRT technology being promoted. Yet it is still the best easily available technolgy out there, and these days the absolutely cheapest way to go as well. CRT RPTVs are the deal of the century right now, if you check on comparative prices, even factoring in calibrations.


Pioneer Elite owners seem to be the ones most willing to keep their sets alive, possibly because they paid so much for them back in the day. Other brands of set were cheaper and are even cheaper still now, causing their owners to more often than not just step into something new rather than keep their current sets alive. Yet ALL CRT sets can be made to look stunning, with the proper care and maintenance of professional optics cleaning and calibration. Even the cheapest brand has incredible potential, when treated properly.



I hope more people will see the light on this before it's taken away. More and more manufacturers will continue to discontinue CRT technology, its days are numbered. We should hold on for dear life, because once they are gone, they are gone. I for one will not part with my year 2000 65" Panasonic CRT RPTV. They will have to pry it out of my cold, dead hands!


If you have a triple-gun CRT RPTV, PLEASE reconsider if you are about to kiss it off. It's still the best way to go, once calibrated.


And calibration is a whole lot cheaper than buying and paying taxes on a new fixed pixel set.



Added on 10-14-08 -


If you are concerned about older sets not being equipped with HDMI, that is no longer a concern. Excellent outboard equipment is available now for getting HDMI-only devices - like upconverting 480i->1080i/p DVDPs that output that upconversion ONLY via HDMI - to your component-only or RGB-only display for HD, built before the advent of DVI and HDMI. This equipment is what the owners of the big CRT ceiling projectors use, where their much bigger RGB-only pictures are a lot more revealing, so you can trust that it will present over the top 100% fidelity for our much smaller CRT RPTVs.


Go to my website, below, and follow the links at the bottom of the cover page, to find where to get the proper gear for equipping your display with HDMI.



Mr Bob


Dec. 19, 2010:


My apologies, my site is being worked on and the link has not been restored by the revampers. Might be awhile, so in the meantime, please contact me directly, by email or phone, for getting your older CRT set equipped for HDMI. No pm's please -
 
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Could not agree more, I am tempted just to buy another one even before my set dies, just because they may not be available by then. By the way I have an RCA 52W20 that is still going strong after a year and a half of near constant use.
 

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That's all why I'm still tweaking my year-2000 Philips 64PH9905, a 64" CRT RPTV. Might consider a fixed-pixel transition when large-screen FED or SED flat panels aren't too costly and aren't too 'digital' looking. Also, by then, suspect video processing such as the Realta HQV chips will see wider use. Maybe motion-compensated instead of just motion-adaptive deinterlacing will be available in consumer hardware.


Curious if you feel inverse telecine, reversing 2:3 pulldown for 1080i, with 1080p display at even frame multiples of movie 24 fps, has a significant advantage over CRT RPTVs if it eliminates judder normally visible with 1080/60i CRT display? -- John
 

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Very wise advice indeed. One small issue, with component only input, most of the newer DVD players out there use HDMI. That might be the only reason to upgrade/replace my PE down the road.
 

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I totally agree. I will be keeping my 1999 56" Panasonic forever. Mitsubishi has some great lines too.


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I agree 100%. Life is so much easier with CRT IMHO. Sadly, I have to get a new display and its going to have to be fixed pixel display. Oh, how i wish pioneer still made their elite line of CRT TV's. While some of us may not want to upgrade (IMO its a downgrade), we are forced. If we don't then we don't have HD anymore.
 

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i saw a samsung crt rear projection at samsclub and it looked like chit compared to the dlps sets. just mho. glare screen sucks too.
 

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i saw a samsung crt rear projection at samsclub and it looked like chit compared to the dlps sets. just mho. glare screen sucks too.

I work at Sams and yea it is not great but trust me when I say that it is most definitely not even Converged. I went and converged the one in my store just so it would have a fighting chance, it helped greatly.


P.S what glare screen the Samsung Crt set has no glare screen?
 

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Yet it is still the best easily available technolgy out there, and these days the absolutely cheapest way to go as well. CRT RPTVs are the deal of the century right now, if you check on comparative prices, even factoring in calibrations.

I think this is the "problem" for manufacturers ... zero or negative profit margin. CRTs are dead from the business standpoint.


With some 720p FP DLP projector prices falling below the original cost of my CRT RPTV the temptation is strong ...
 

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I understand your points, and agree with them.


But CRT RPTVs have a lot of the "hassle factor" that most average joes don't want to fool with, or have to pay money to deal with. By that, I mean the issues of convergence, geometry, overscan.


I have a 55" Mits, and it has way too much overscan on any HD content, there is now some bending of text at times, and straight vertical lines are squiggly now.


I don't really have $500 to get a professional calibrator out here to work on it. And most of the general public won't do that at all.
 

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on the contrary, I hope somebody abandons a 9" gunned Mits in my general vicinity

Now, that's an idea!
 

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I understand your points, and agree with them.


But CRT RPTVs have a lot of the "hassle factor" that most average joes don't want to fool with, or have to pay money to deal with. By that, I mean the issues of convergence, geometry, overscan.


I have a 55" Mits, and it has way too much overscan on any HD content, there is now some bending of text at times, and straight vertical lines are squiggly now.


I don't really have $500 to get a professional calibrator out here to work on it. And most of the general public won't do that at all.

That $500.00 is the average cost of 2 lamps for the newer televisions, of which some have not lasted more than a month.


You're correct about the "hassle factor", which is one reason why RPTV manufacturers all have some sort of "instant focus" button.


You could correct most the of the problems you're seeing by simply getting a service manual. Your being on this forum shows you have enough interest to try it.
 

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Yup...I'll go and calibrate an SXRD, then an LCD, then a DLP, then a plasma, but when I get a CRT RP customer, I still end up far more satisfied with the final result. Everthing else is no more than 75% as good...and that's just not good enough for me.


My Toshiba 46" continues to impress me, and anybody who sees it...even those with "fancy" digital-based displays (which really bugs the heck out of them!).


Incidentally, Hitachi recently announced a new line of CRT-based RP sets, so they are still in the game. For now.
 

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I still love my 51" Sony WS500. It probably needs some work (Convergence, cleaning, focus) but the picture looks great to me. I'm definitely in the "hold onto it until it dies camp".
 

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I have a Sony 57" CRT RPTV (KP-57WS520)..their last model. I purchased it in December of 2004. I've had it fully tweaked and ISF calibrated....and it looks fantastic.


I keep the mirror and CRTs clean (every 6-12 months) and will get an ISF tune-up at the end of each year. I an obsessive about getting convergence perfect and I enter the service menu every couple of months to keep things as perfect as possible.


I'm *hoping* when I do replace this display several years down the road, the digital displays will be much cheaper, bulbs will be gone (replaced by LED?), and they will look more analog and filmlike than today. I will say the Sony SXRD and the Samsung DLPs seem to be a step in the right direction. The biggest advantage these digital displays have in terms of performance seems to be sheer line resolution and full 1920 lines.....as I'm told most CRT RPTV display around 1200-1300 lines.
 

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IMHO, it is still the best. It still has the best blacks, it does 1080i effortlessly, (and could do 1080p just as well)



Mr Bob

OK, I'll bite. Why don't they do 1080p ?
 

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I know I am a newbie, but isn't part of the attraction (at least it was for me) of newer non CRT sets size? I understand the PQ argument, but I think alot of consumers are also buying so they can fit a larger TV in a smaller space....
 
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