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Don't forget the second step in isolating an artifact.

791 Views 12 Replies 9 Participants Last post by Craig Peer, Feb 22, 2005

JHouse

Discussion Starter · Feb 19, 2005

We read, we inspect, we reread, we test and we learn to notice "problems" or artifacts that our less OCD brethren do not.

Finding artifacts and problems may have become a goal for you. It's a new expertise, a new power. Exercising your power is fun. Learning to discriminate, oh the joy....

But most of us have found that ignorance can sometimes be bliss. The critical eye can kill the joy. "Wow, look at those GIANT HOOT... wait, is that a dead pixel?"

Some go so far as to actually attempt the impossible, eliminating from consideration any equipment in which they can identify any flaw. Woe unto them.

The second step in identifying an artifact that you have tried so hard to find is to figure out if you are going to be bothered by it when you have had a beer and are just watching a movie - and you AREN'T looking for it. Lots of times there are trade-offs. Other features of your equipment that make the experience so real and engrossing that the glitch is question pales in comparison.

So don't go all knee-jerk. Consider the whole experience.

And NEVER use your discrimination skills on your wife. It can lead to gunfire.

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Gushy

· #2 · Feb 19, 2005

Good post.

SDE used to drive me crazy because I was ALWAYS looking for it; nobody else ever said anything about it. After a while I stopped looking and just enjoyed the experience of watching a movie or sports on my PJ.

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MrWigggles

· #3 · Feb 19, 2005

When evaluating picture quality, Joe your best quote is:

"The harder it is to tell the difference, the less the difference makes."

I don't get too wrapped up in picture quality myself. the defects in source material is far greater than the limitations in my display. If the source material has crushed whites, crushed blacks, or screwy colors, who cares what my display does with them?

RainBow Effect has bothered me as well at times, but I don't get too overly concerned with it either.

-Mr. Wigggles

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JHouse

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 20, 2005

Wigggs,

Thanks for remembering.

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kelliot

· #5 · Feb 20, 2005

Quote:

Originally posted by MrWigggles
When evaluating picture quality, Joe your best quote is:

"The harder it is to tell the difference, the less the difference makes."

I don't get too wrapped up in picture quality myself. the defects in source material is far greater than the limitations in my display. If the source material has crushed whites, crushed blacks, or screwy colors, who cares what my display does with them?

RainBow Effect has bothered me as well at times, but I don't get too overly concerned with it either.

-Mr. Wigggles

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Brandon B

· #6 · Feb 21, 2005

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Originally posted by JHouse
. . .The critical eye can kill the joy. "Wow, look at those GIANT HOOT...

. . . OWLS?

Watching Discovery HD these days Joe?

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JHouse

Discussion Starter · #7 · Feb 21, 2005

Yup, that's it.

Look over at the screens forum, some smithy guy is kicking my butt about his Silver Star being smaller than advertised.

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maxleung

· #8 · Feb 21, 2005

I've been going crazy isolating a color wheel sync problem on my Benq. With DVI or VGA from my HTPC, I cannot get the color wheel to sync at 59.94hz or 50 hz, only 60.000 hz! Works fine using a VGA-to-component transcoder.

But I'm dealing with it - I still watch movies on my HTPC because the other PQ factors are sooooo damn good.

Sometimes, the studdering I occasionally see could be a deinterlacing problem made from the source - at least, I tell myself that to keep from tweaking again and again.

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Art Sonneborn

· #9 · Feb 21, 2005

Joe,

A well written and truly diagnostic post you wrote.The third step must be the treatment, the medication, the management.However science has taught us that the hobby didn't make us into this ,the hobby was the draw like flies to......... If watching movies was all, we would not hang here. Instead the love of the tweak, the lust to reach for that which is beyond our grasp is the thing.

Perhaps we could be pitied but I believe that if I derive joy from the hunt, from the journey and it hurts no one ,many have done worse. When I build scale models I enjoy the process more than having the finished product. If that weren't so than I'd pay someone to build it for me.

You may feel sorry for me, laugh at me even loathe me but am I so bad ?

Art

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JHouse

Discussion Starter · #10 · Feb 22, 2005

Yes, developing the skill and using it is intoxicating. Just make sure that intoxication doesn't lead to the gutter!

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Brandon B

· #11 · Feb 22, 2005

Speaking of intoxication, see the news that the Russians have developed a pill which prolongs alcohol intoxication so you don't need to keep drinking? Seriously.

http://news.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...18/wpill18.xml

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Andrikos

· #12 · Feb 22, 2005

..."the Russians have developed a pill which prolongs alcohol intoxication so you don't need to keep drinking"...

Prime stuff for lawsuits here.

Can you imagine what a lawyer (er, ahem, hi Joe!) can do with ammunition like that?

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Craig Peer

· #13 · Feb 22, 2005

" Some go so far as to actually attempt the impossible, eliminating from consideration any equipment in which they can identify any flaw. Woe unto them. " -

Yes woe unto them! The biggest flaw was the dvd itself. I tried to eliminate it, but the perfect blue screen got really really boring..................

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