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Down-firing Subwoofer Placement

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I've got a JBL down-firing subwoofer on fairly thick berber (sp?) carpeting. Someone advised me to put something solid, e.g., plexiglass, directly beneath the subwoofer to get better bass dispersion. According to this person, I'm losing all my bass in the carpet.


What say you guys?
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Originally posted by s2silber
I've got a JBL down-firing subwoofer on fairly thick berber (sp?) carpeting. Someone advised me to put something solid, e.g., plexiglass, directly underneath the subwoofer it to get better bass dispersion. According to this person, I'm losing all my bass in the carpet.


What say you guys?
Your friend doesn't know acoustics.


It is very difficult to absorb bass energy.


It requires materials and volumes of space that are on the order of a few feet in thickness.


An inch or so of carpeting vis-a-vis a sheet a plexiglass will have zero effect on the bass from your downfiring

subwoofer.
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Originally posted by Morbius
Your friend doesn't know acoustics.


It is very difficult to absorb bass energy.


It requires materials and volumes of space that are on the order of a few feet in thickness.


An inch or so of carpeting vis-a-vis a sheet a plexiglass will have zero effect on the bass from your downfiring

subwoofer.
Thanks. That makes sense, and by your signature it looks like you should know!
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related question for our physicist friend.... is there any difference in the sound from said downfiring subwoofer if the floor under the berber carpet is hardwood (vs. concrete) (and vice versa)?


thanks!
JS,


Still in search of the sub questions.......As you said it is a marathon and not a sprint...


CM
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related question for our physicist friend.... is there any difference in the sound from said downfiring subwoofer if the floor under the berber carpet is hardwood (vs. concrete) (and vice versa)?
jstorer,


Hardwood vs. concrete? In a word - no.


Hardwood floors have a tongue and groove construction so that they are fairly air-tight. In that matter, they are

like a concrete floor.


Let me tell you what would be different. Suppose you had a floor of 2x4s laid over the floor joists, and a basement

below. Because of the gaps between the 2x4s, that floor is not air-tight. Bass energy could flow through it into the

basement below - from whence it won't return. Such an arrangement would soak up bass energy.


That's what it takes to absorb bass - a "membrane" that it can diffuse through into a volume in which it will dissipate

without return.
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Thanks for the explanation Morbius - sounds reasonable.
Great. Now I'm worried not about losing bass into the carpeting, but losing it into the basement! :(


Having just moved into my house, I don't even know what kind of floor is beneath the carpet.:confused:
lol - sorry about that... it's likely hardwood or plywood over 2x4 over floor joists, which i imagine would be pretty airtight. you "should" be ok.
This thread is interesting and somthing to ponder. What is the design critieria for a subwoofer manufacturer to choose one design over the other, for example, why would Velodyne choose front firing for their HGS-18 and SVS choose downfiring for their PB-2+ ? Begs another question on sealed vs ported subs. Boxes vs Cylinders are well understood so we can take that out of the discussion.

Thanks,

-Jai
While it is true that the carpet won't absorb the subwoofers bass, it is good at absorbing the occasional higher frequency sounds a subwoofers woofer might produce: suspension noises, bottoming, etc..


In general, we find downward firing on carpet makes a sub a little less localizable. This lets the sub get louder and push its limits and still remain less localizable.


If the subwoofer fires down on hard floor or a hard surface, these out of frequency noises are reflected easily and can make it more localizable.


For the same reason you would want to absorb first order reflections in main speakers, you would want to absorb out of frequency anomolies in subwoofers. By downward firing on carpet or a throw rug, you can absorb these sounds.


Plus, the carpet might absorb some unwanted vibrations so the flooring underneath doesn't vibrate and cause problems.


Sasha,

HSU Research
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