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So here is part of my problem....Thanks @NorthSkyas well.

Looks like Marketing Crap - many of my disks SAY DTS, but once you dig deeper it appears they are not.

This is "Species" for example...and once again @NorthSkypointed out that according to the multiple honest sources, i.e. bluray.com , etc , this disk is Dolby only :mad:
The original MGM/Sony disc is PCM 5.1 and Dolby Digital 5.1


Are you sure the PCM isn't there?
 

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Did you travel in France and bought that BR title ('Species') there? → http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Species-Blu-ray/110945/ - Different subtitles though.

...Or in the UK? → http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Species-Blu-ray/17688/ - Subtitles don't match, so can't be.

* This one matches the subtitles better (from your back cover) → http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Species-Blu-ray/75/#Review

Anyway, best way to find out is check the disc audio menu setup on your screen.

And you said you have many dts discs... And I agree with you; it does say DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 on the back cover, with many languages for subtitles.

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I found this one in a Brazilian forum (same back cover as the one you showed above):

Species_-_Bluray_f.jpg

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France, Australia and Italy (2008 releases) with DTS-HD MA, but the subtitles are not matching.
*** In the back of the picture you showed the date of release says 2008. So it cannot be a US version, but then it also says "Printed in the U.S.A."
I'm @ lost. :D ...The attachment above is the same exact back cover as yours. The Blu-ray forum shows LPCM for the US version with a different back cover. The release dates are different. In 2008 the ones released are the ones @ the beginning of this paragraph. I'm just a little confused, that's all. ...Like you are too.

Let's verify: Put that BR disc of 'Species' in your BR player, press the Audio button on your remote control, tell us what audio soundtracks it shows.
If it shows DTS-HD MA 5.1 just select it and start playing the film. Now, look @ your receiver's front window display after pressing the Info button on your receiver's remote control. What does it say?
Also, press the Info button of your BR's remote control...same thing?
That's the only way to truly confirm the audio codec. Mistakes can happen when printing BR covers, as we've seen in the past.
 

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Anyone have alink to a nice breakdown of how to interpret new recievers powered output channels vs. line level?

So as I understand it and "x.x.4" will mean only 2 chaneels of height will be powered correct? So 5.2.4 will be front/center/surround/sub x2/height x2 but then to get rear one needs a seperate amp?
 

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Anyone try this on XBOX one or Ps4? They both can output bitstream - wondering how the effect of height is in the games?
 

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Anyone have alink to a nice breakdown of how to interpret new recievers powered output channels vs. line level?

So as I understand it and "x.x.4" will mean only 2 chaneels of height will be powered correct? So 5.2.4 will be front/center/surround/sub x2/height x2 but then to get rear one needs a seperate amp?
This is the wrong thread to post this question. Anyway... Depends on the AVR. For example, Denon 6200 and 7200 have nine internal amps so they can drive a 5.2.4 setup without external amps. A Denon 4200 has seven internal amps requiring an external two channel amp to drive a 5.2.4 setup. In this example, the two channel external amp would be used to drive the rear height speakers.
 

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Did you travel in France and bought that BR title ('Species') there? → http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Species-Blu-ray/110945/ - Different subtitles though.

Let's verify: Put that BR disc of 'Species' in your BR player, press the Audio button on your remote control, tell us what audio soundtracks it shows.
If it shows DTS-HD MA 5.1 just select it and start playing the film. Now, look @ your receiver's front window display after pressing the Info button on your receiver's remote control. What does it say?
Also, press the Info button of your BR's remote control...same thing?
That's the only way to truly confirm the audio codec. Mistakes can happen when printing BR covers, as we've seen in the past.
Funny, I have traveled to France quite a bit at my last company, and Species is old enough that I could have gotten it overseas, but dang I can't remember.

@PeterTHX I will also dive into the settings again this evening...issues I can't remember if I had the settings on my BR playing and/if that matters. I think they were both Bitstream...for Dolby and DTS:X
 

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From Arrow Season 1 Series, why when I set the Audio in the BR player to LPCM the sound is louder than when I set it to Bitstream?


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I believe DSU was an acronym coined here at AVS and is not a Dolby designation.
Indeed, Dolby Surround is "DSU", the Dolby Surround Upmixer.


But also Dolby speakes of DSU.
Here a part from Klipsch about Atmos and upmixing:

While the stream of programming with Dolby® Atmos has only begun to fill the media landscape, you don’t have to wait to experience the the immersive, cinematic sound of Dolby Atmos thanks to “upmixing.”
You will immediately notice the benefits of upmixing compared to standard surround sound during movies as well as musical performances, video games and sporting events.
We’ve said it before and we’ll say it again. Dolby Atmos is the biggest advancement in home and cinema audio since surround sound. (Overview + FAQ of Dolby Atmos.)

HOW DOES UPMIXING WORK?

A Dolby Atmos enabled receiver will handle most of the work by recognizing the sound that would typically be sent to the surround channels and sends some of that sound out to the Dolby Atmos elevation channels.
In Dolby’s own words: “The Dolby surround upmixer employs the original soundtrack to create a highly accurate rendering of the environment in the movie while simultaneously honoring and maintaining the artists’ intent for the mix.”
All of the major receiver manufacturers including Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, and Pioneer are making Dolby Atmos enabled receivers that will work with Klipsch Reference Premiere Dolby Atmos enabled speakers. Remember, if you need help picking the right receiver, check out our guide on how to find the best receiver for you.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SURROUND SOUND AND UPMIXED DOLBY ATMOS

Upmixing allows you to hear height/elevation effects, creating a much more immersive, true-to-life experience versus traditional surround sound. This isn’t a gimmick. It’s a honest-to-goodness improvement that will reinvigorate your existing movie collection, television programs, video games and music collection.
Dolby says “Unlike previous wideband upmixing technologies, the Dolby surround upmixer operates on multiple perceptually spaced frequency bands for a fine-grained analysis of the source signal. The Dolby surround upmixer can individually steer frequency bands, producing surround sound with precisely located audio elements and a spacious ambience.”
Don’t believe it? We strongly recommend a visit to your local Klipsch dealer who carries Dolby Atmos speakers to test this out for yourself.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UPMIXING AND “PURE” DOLBY ATMOS

“Pure” Dolby Atmos is only possible when source material is encoded (mixed and published) in Dolby Atmos technology. If you are looking at a Blu-Ray, it should be clearly labeled with the Dolby Atmos logo on the disc packaging.
With a “pure” Dolby Atmos mix, you are hearing sound exactly as the (human) sound editor intended it. In order to upmix to Dolby Atmos, an algorithm in the receiver determines which sounds go to the Dolby Atmos channels based on frequency and phase correlation. Essentially, upmixing is a synthesized, yet very effective Dolby Atmos experience that draws from the original 5.1/7.1 mix.
More and more content is being created in Dolby Atmos; however, you will be delighted by the immediate benefits that you will hear by upgrading to a Dolby Atmos setup.


But this thread is about DTS:X, so lets stay on that track ;)
 

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From Arrow Season 1 Series, why when I set the Audio in the BR player to LPCM the sound is louder than when I set it to Bitstream?


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Because "that's the way it is". PCM has always been about 4dB louder than bitstreamed audio on just about all systems.
 

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I believe DSU was an acronym coined here at AVS and is not a Dolby designation.
Thank you for the clarification. Does anyone know why on trailers the receiver only says neural X but during a movie it says dts hd + neural X? Wouldn't the trailers that were dts whatever also be dts + neural X?
 

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Thank you for the clarification. Does anyone know why on trailers the receiver only says neural X but during a movie it says dts hd + neural X? Wouldn't the trailers that were dts whatever also be dts + neural X?
I think it's just a quirk of the receiver's surround mode nomenclature. What it's reporting is the "Surround Mode" not necessarily the input signal per se.

Typically with 2ch inputs it doesn't report the input signal -- for example a Dolby 2.0 signal would just say "STEREO" if not upmixed, or "Dolby Surround" if upmixed. Same with 2.0 DTS, it just reports "Neural:X" as the surround mode. If you hit the "INFO" button on the remote it should show 2 input channels and a bunch of outputs.

With a multich input, it will usually report that it's decoding the multich first and then layering upmix on top, i.e. "Dolby TrueHD + Dolby Surround" or "DTS-MA + Neural:X".
 

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Because "that's the way it is". PCM has always been about 4dB louder than bitstreamed audio on just about all systems.
I believe (for Dolby sources at least) the difference is the DialNorm, right?
 

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Anyone try this on XBOX one or Ps4? They both can output bitstream - wondering how the effect of height is in the games?
The Xbox one cannot bitstream lossless audio for movies. It can only bitstream standard Dolby or dts I believe or 5.1/7.1 pcm. The ps4 can however so I watch all my atmos movies and the one dts X movie I have on that. I use the Xbox one if I wanna use neural X on a Dolby true Hd track or dsu on a dts hd track using the pcm + whichever up mixer. This way I can leave the ps4 on bitstream.

As far as games I'm not sure. Isn't the new Star Wars battlefront in Dolby atmos?(maybe only on pc) I don't have it or any other game that is so I'm not sure how games are or will be affected by the new immersive surround formats but I would imagine gaming in atmos or dts X would be great too.
 

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I think it's just a quirk of the receiver's surround mode nomenclature. What it's reporting is the "Surround Mode" not necessarily the input signal per se.

Typically with 2ch inputs it doesn't report the input signal -- for example a Dolby 2.0 signal would just say "STEREO" if not upmixed, or "Dolby Surround" if upmixed. Same with 2.0 DTS, it just reports "Neural:X" as the surround mode. If you hit the "INFO" button on the remote it should show 2 input channels and a bunch of outputs.

With a multich input, it will usually report that it's decoding the multich first and then layering upmix on top, i.e. "Dolby TrueHD + Dolby Surround" or "DTS-MA + Neural:X".
I noticed that too. The trailers on the BR were in Neural:X. When I pressed the movie button, there was no sign of Dolby Surround anywhere. Far as I remember it was Stereo, DTS Neural:X, All Channel Stereo, Virtual and Mono. That's all.
I did not bother to dig as the movie sound track displayed everything. And again IIRC this was with the Dolby THD movie disk.
 

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If you got the option for Neural:X but not DSU then that means the trailer is DTS 2.0.
 

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If you got the option for Neural:X but not DSU then that means the trailer is DTS 2.0.
Thanks. I will check that next time. Hopefully the Info button should display it on screen.
 

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If you got the option for Neural:X but not DSU then that means the trailer is DTS 2.0.
Think this is a receiver "problem".
Onkyo will let the user mix all the audio modes the way they want, D/M (as example) is a bit more difficult and the user gets less options.
Do not know if the current new AV Onkyo line (TX-RX###) will mix DTS and Dolby immersive the same way they let you mix the old school audio modes.
For me could this be a way back to Onkyo when they will have a new line 11 channel AVR.
 

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As far as games I'm not sure. Isn't the new Star Wars battlefront in Dolby atmos?(maybe only on pc) I don't have it or any other game that is so I'm not sure how games are or will be affected by the new immersive surround formats but I would imagine gaming in atmos or dts X would be great too.

Yes, it's Atmos. You have to set the PS4 to "bitstream" for it to work.
 
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