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Note that this thread will cover the titles and precentages of releases for both HD and BD formats. The HD DVD listings will appear second, when they are ready.


I have done BD first as part of a conversation earlier today, about how many Bluray titles are BD 50, versus BD 25 single layer.


I have also built a chart listing all titles and Codec used (VC1, AVC or Mpeg2) over here for reference - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=847293


I felt that the great majority of BD releases were Single Layer 25 gig releases. In actuality, this number is about 70%, as 31% of titles released are BD DL discs.


So that there will be no posts calling this incorrect, I have posted a list of the BD releases on each type below.


This can be a helpful guide for some who would prefer to collect Dual Layer BD releases, but not Single Layer BD releases.

I have also color-coded those releases which are also available, or becoming available, as DL HD DVD titles, should some of you prefer to collect those, mostly in VC1.

In short, there are 219 BD titles officially released as of today with the disc size listed, according to the bluray.com website. 151 of those (69%) are BD 25, and 68 of those (31%) are BD 50.

First, here is a list of Single Layer BD25 releases, based on the official release dates:

16 Blocks Warner Bros. Oct 10, 2006


50 First Dates Sony Pictures Jun 20, 2006

A Christmas Story Warner Bros. Dec 05, 2006


A Knight's Tale Sony Pictures Sep 19, 2006

Aeon Flux Paramount Pictures Oct 10, 2006


AIR Pony Canyon Dec 06, 2006


All the King's Men Sony Pictures Dec 19, 2006


American Psycho Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007


Annapolis Disney / Buena Vista Nov 21, 2006

The Ant Bully Warner Bros. Nov 28, 2006

The Architect Magnolia Pictures Dec 05, 2006

ATL Warner Bros. Nov 14, 2006


Basic Instinct 2 Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jul 11, 2006

Beerfest Warner Bros. Jan 30, 2007


Behind Enemy Lines 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


The Benchwarmers Sony Pictures Jul 25, 2006


The Big Hit Sony Pictures Sep 19, 2006

Bikini Destinations: Triple Fantasy Magnolia Pictures Oct 10, 2006

Blazing Saddles Warner Bros. Sep 05, 2006


Blood: The Last Vampire Aniplex Nov 22, 2006


Broken Arrow 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

The Brothers Grimm Disney / Buena Vista Oct 17, 2006

Bubble Magnolia Pictures Oct 10, 2006


Bulletproof Monk Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Dec 05, 2006


Chain Reaction 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007


Chronos Koch Entertainment Feb 13, 2007


Courage Under Fire 20th Century Fox Jan 23, 2007


The Covenant Sony Pictures Jan 02, 2007


Crash Lionsgate Films Jun 27, 2006


Dark Water Disney / Buena Vista Oct 17, 2006


The Devil Wears Prada 20th Century Fox Dec 12, 2006


The Devil's Rejects Lionsgate Films Aug 29, 2006


Dinosaur Disney / Buena Vista Sep 19, 2006

Dog Day Afternoon Warner Bros. Apr 10, 2007

Dragon's Lair Digital Leisure Apr 17, 2007


Eight Below Disney / Buena Vista Sep 19, 2006


Employee of the Month Lionsgate Films Jan 16, 2007

Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room Magnolia Pictures Oct 10, 2006


Entrapment 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007


Eragon 20th Century Fox Mar 20, 2007

Failure to Launch Paramount Pictures Apr 24, 2007


Fantastic Four 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


The Fifth Element Sony Pictures Jun 20, 2006

Firewall Warner Bros. Sep 05, 2006


Flight of the Phoenix 20th Century Fox Dec 05, 2006

The Fountain Warner Bros. May 15, 2007

Four Brothers Paramount Pictures Sep 26, 2006

The Fugitive Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006

Full Metal Jacket Warner Bros. Sep 05, 2006


Glory Road Disney / Buena Vista Oct 17, 2006


Goal! The Dream Begins Disney / Buena Vista Nov 21, 2006


Gone in 60 Seconds Disney / Buena Vista Oct 17, 2006

Good Night, and Good Luck Warner Bros. Aug 01, 2006


The Great Raid Disney / Buena Vista Sep 19, 2006

Happy Feet Warner Bros. Mar 27, 2007


Hart's War Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jan 30, 2007


The Haunted Mansion Disney / Buena Vista Oct 17, 2006

HDNet World Report: Shuttle Discovery's Historic Mission Magnolia Pictures Oct 10, 2006


Hitch Sony Pictures Jun 20, 2006

The Holiday Sony Pictures Mar 13, 2007


Hoosiers Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Mar 13, 2007


House of Flying Daggers Sony Pictures Jun 20, 2006

House of Wax Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006


Ice Age: The Meltdown 20th Century Fox Nov 21, 2006


Into the Blue Sony Pictures Aug 15, 2006

The Italian Job Paramount Pictures Oct 24, 2006


Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back Disney / Buena Vista Sep 19, 2006

Kiss Kiss Bang Bang Warner Bros. Aug 01, 2006


Kiss of the Dragon 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


Kung Fu Hustle Sony Pictures Dec 12, 2006

Lady in the Water Warner Bros. Dec 19, 2006

The Lake House Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006

Lara Croft: Tomb Raider Paramount Pictures Sep 26, 2006


The Last Waltz Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jun 27, 2006


The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


Legends of Jazz: Showcase Warner Music Oct 24, 2006

Lethal Weapon Warner Bros. Sep 05, 2006

Lethal Weapon 2 Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006


Little Man Sony Pictures Nov 07, 2006


Lord of War Lionsgate Films Jun 27, 2006


The Marine 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007


Meatballs Sony Pictures - ??


Memento Sony Pictures Aug 15, 2006


Men of Honor 20th Century Fox Jan 23, 2007

Million Dollar Baby Warner Bros. Nov 14, 2006

Mission Impossible III Paramount Pictures Oct 30, 2006

Mission Impossible: Ultimate Missions Collection Paramount Pictures Oct 30, 2006


Monster House Sony Pictures Oct 24, 2006

Nacho Libre Paramount Pictures Oct 24, 2006

National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation Warner Bros. Dec 05, 2006


Night at the Museum 20th Century Fox Apr 24, 2007


The Omen (666) 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


One Last Thing... Magnolia Pictures Oct 10, 2006


Open Season Sony Pictures Jan 30, 2007

The Phantom of the Opera Warner Bros. Oct 31, 2006


Phone Booth 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

Planet Earth: The Complete Collection BBC Apr 24, 2007


Planet of the Apes 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007


The Punisher Lionsgate Films Jun 27, 2006


The Queen Disney / Buena Vista Apr 24, 2007

Rambo: First Blood Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007

Reds: 25th Anniversary Edition Paramount Pictures Nov 07, 2006


Reign of Fire Disney / Buena Vista Feb 13, 2007

Relentless Enemies National Geographic Mar 27, 2007


Reservoir Dogs Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007


Revenge: Director's Cut Sony Pictures May 08, 2007


Rising Sun 20th Century Fox Dec 05, 2006


Rocky Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Dec 05, 2006

Rumor Has It... Warner Bros. Aug 01, 2006


RV Sony Pictures Aug 15, 2006


S.W.A.T. Sony Pictures Sep 19, 2006

Sahara Paramount Pictures Oct 24, 2006


Saw Lionsgate Films Jun 27, 2006


Saw II Lionsgate Films Jan 23, 2007


Saw III Lionsgate Films Jan 23, 2007


Scooby-Doo Warner Bros. Jan 16, 2007


The Sentinel 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007


Silent Hill Sony Pictures Aug 22, 2006

Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow Paramount Pictures Sep 26, 2006


Sky High Disney / Buena Vista Nov 21, 2006

Sleepy Hollow Paramount Pictures Sep 26, 2006

Space Cowboys Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006


Species Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jul 25, 2006


Speed 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


Stargate Lionsgate Films Aug 29, 2006


Stealth Sony Pictures Jul 25, 2006


Stir of Echoes Lionsgate Films Aug 28, 2006

Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut Warner Bros. Nov 28, 2006

Swordfish Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006

Syriana Warner Bros. Oct 10, 2006


Tears of the Sun Sony Pictures Sep 19, 2006


Terminator Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jun 20, 2006

Terminator 2: Judgment Day Lionsgate Films Jun 27, 2006

Tim Burton's Corpse Bride Warner Bros. Sep 26, 2006


Tony Bennett: An American Classic Sony Music Dec 12, 2006

Total Recall Lionsgate Films Aug 29, 2006

Training Day Warner Bros. Aug 01, 2006


The Transporter 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


The Transporter 2 20th Century Fox Dec 26, 2006

U2: Rattle and Hum Paramount Pictures Oct 10, 2006


Ultraviolet Sony Pictures Jun 27, 2006

Under Siege Warner Bros. Oct 31, 2006

Underworld: Evolution Sony Pictures Jun 20, 2006


The Usual Suspects Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Feb 13, 2007

The War Within Magnolia Pictures Oct 10, 2006

The Wicker Man Warner Bros. Jan 30, 2007


The Wild Disney / Buena Vista Nov 21, 2006


Windtalkers Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Nov 28, 2006


X-Men: The Last Stand 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006

xXx Sony Pictures Jun 20, 2006


Young Guns Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007


Here is a list of the BD 50 releases available:

A Scanner Darkly Warner Bros. Apr 10, 2007


Alien vs. Predator 20th Century Fox Jan 23, 2007

Babel Paramount Pictures Feb 20, 2007


Big Fish Sony Pictures Mar 20, 2007


Black Hawk Down Sony Pictures Nov 14, 2006

Black Rain Paramount Pictures Jan 23, 2007

Bullitt Warner Bros. Feb 27, 2007


Casanova Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007


Casino Royale Sony Pictures Mar 13, 2007


Catch and Release Sony Pictures May 08, 2007


Chicago Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007


Chicken Little Disney / Buena Vista Mar 20, 2007


Click Sony Pictures Oct 10, 2006


Crank Lionsgate Films Jan 09, 2007


Deja Vu Disney / Buena Vista Apr 24, 2007

The Departed Warner Bros. Feb 13, 2007


The Descent Lionsgate Films Dec 26, 2006


Destiny's Child: Live in Atlanta Sony Music Feb 20, 2007


Dirty Dancing Lionsgate Films May 08, 2007

The Dirty Dozen Warner Bros. Apr 17, 2007


Donnie Brasco: Extended Cut Sony Pictures May 08, 2007

Dreamgirls Paramount Pictures May 01, 2007


Enemy of the State Disney / Buena Vista Nov 21, 2006

Enter the Dragon Warner Bros. Apr 17, 2007

Finding Neverland Disney / Buena Vista Mar 20, 2007


Flightplan Disney / Buena Vista Dec 19, 2006


Flyboys Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jan 30, 2007


G.I. Jane Disney / Buena Vista Apr 03, 2007

The Getaway Warner Bros. Feb 27, 2007

GoodFellas Warner Bros. Jan 16, 2007


Gridiron Gang Sony Pictures Jan 16, 2007


The Guardian Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007


Happily N'Ever After Lionsgate Films May 01, 2007


The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007


Identity Sony Pictures Apr 03, 2007


Incubus: Alive at Red Rocks Sony Music Mar 27, 2007


Invincible Disney / Buena Vista Dec 19, 2006


King Arthur: Director's Cut Disney / Buena Vista Apr 03, 2007


Kingdom of Heaven: Director's Cut 20th Century Fox Nov 14, 2006


Ladder 49 Disney / Buena Vista Feb 13, 2007

The Last Samurai Warner Bros. Nov 14, 2006


Layer Cake Sony Pictures Mar 13, 2007

The Manchurian Candidate Paramount Pictures Jan 23, 2007

March of the Penguins Warner Bros. Mar 27, 2007

Nine Inch Nails: Beside You in Time Interscope Feb 27, 2007

Payback: Straight Up Paramount Pictures Apr 10, 2007


Pearl Harbor Disney / Buena Vista Dec 19, 2006

The Prestige Disney / Buena Vista Feb 20, 2007


The Pursuit of Happyness Sony Pictures Mar 27, 2007


Resident Evil: Apocalypse Sony Pictures Jan 16, 2007


Rocky Balboa Sony Pictures Mar 20, 2007


Running with Scissors Sony Pictures Feb 06, 2007

The Searchers Warner Bros. Oct 31, 2006


Secret Window Sony Pictures Apr 24, 2007

The Sopranos: Season Six, Part 1 HBO Dec 19, 2006


Stranger Than Fiction Sony Pictures Feb 27, 2007

Superman Returns Warner Bros. Nov 28, 2006

Superman: The Movie Warner Bros. Nov 28, 2006


The Tailor of Panama Sony Pictures Feb 06, 2007


Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby Sony Pictures Dec 12, 2006


Ultimate Avengers Collection Lionsgate Films Apr 24, 2007

Unforgiven Warner Bros. Oct 31, 2006


Vertical Limit Sony Pictures Feb 20, 2007


Volver Sony Pictures Apr 03, 2007


Warriors of Heaven and Earth Sony Pictures Mar 27, 2007

We Were Soldiers Paramount Pictures Jan 23, 2007

World Trade Center Paramount Pictures Dec 12, 2006

The World's Fastest Indian Magnolia Pictures Feb 13, 2007



Here are titles not officially released as of today:


BD25:

Blood and Chocolate Sony Pictures Jun 12, 2007

Blue Planet (IMAX) Warner Bros. Jul 31, 2007


The Curse of the Golden Flower Sony Pictures May 29, 2007

The Road Warrior Warner Bros. May 15, 2007


Winged Migration Sony Pictures Postponed


Turistas 20th Century Fox Postponed


The Thomas Crown Affair Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Postponed


Ice Age 20th Century Fox Postponed


Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story 20th Century Fox Postponed


Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon Sony Pictures Postponed


Commando 20th Century Fox Postponed


BD50:
Blood Diamond Warner Bros. Jun 05, 2007


Cars Disney / Buena Vista Jun 05, 2007


Closer Sony Pictures May 22, 2007

Battle of the Bulge Warner Bros. May 15, 2007

The Cowboys Warner Bros. Jun 05, 2007

Flags of Our Fathers Paramount Pictures May 22, 2007

Freedom Writers Paramount Pictures May 22, 2007


Ghost Rider Sony Pictures Jun 12, 2007

Letters from Iwo Jima Warner Bros. May 22, 2007


Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest Disney / Buena Vista May 22, 2007


Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl Disney / Buena Vista May 22, 2007


Rescue Me: The Complete Third Season Sony Pictures Jun 05, 2007


Roving Mars (IMAX) Disney / Buena Vista Jul 31, 2007


Stomp the Yard Sony Pictures May 15, 2007


Weeds: Season Two Lionsgate Films Jul 24, 2007


Mr. & Mrs. Smith 20th Century Fox Postponed


Glory Sony Pictures Postponed


From Hell 20th Century Fox Postponed


The Fly 20th Century Fox Postponed


Dances with Wolves Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Postponed
 

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1. Air and Blood: The last Vampire are not NA releases.


2. Meatballs got delayed without a date.


3. The HD DVD side of 16 Blocks, Firewall, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, and Rumor Has It is not DL.
 

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Interesting. For things with releases dates (not counting Cars since I don't think it is actually coming out on the 5th of June) I see 14 BD50s and 4 BD25s, or 78% to 22% in favor of BD50s for things with dates. Counting postponed, looks like 20 to 11, or 65% to 35% in favor of BD50s.


Anybody know how long it took before well over half of DVDs being released were DL?


--Darin
 

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Dear rdjam ,


- Look at titles that are announced - I already got my 9 BD50 releases with 05-22 release dates delivered and have about 25 preorders for the coming weeks - 24 of which are BD50 releases. Point is - this "since introduction ratio" will significantly change in favor for BD50 week by week from now on. Coming week it is 90% BD50 - 10% BD25.


- Don't look at the (total) ratio since the first Blu-Ray discs were introduced but since BD50 was available as an option. If BD50 is not available (like it wasn't till Q4 of 06) it is quite natural that the ratio is strongly favoring BD25 (
). These early BD25 releases still have strong influence on your 69%-39% ratio - but have nothing to do with the situation as it is today -> BD50 is a viable and very popular option.


For example what's the ratio BD50 versus BD25 just in 2007?


- Look at the titles released on BD25 and on BD50 and try to guess (or even better yet use Nielsen data) how many units were sold for each group of releases - ergo how many movies on BD25 were sold and how many on BD50. Now the ratio will be more like "80%-90% of all discs sold are BD50" - at the very least.


- Please mark the direct "HD-DVD ports" from Warner - if Warner uses BD25 BECAUSE their HD-DVD release was taking less than 25GB on the disc that sure cannot be hold as an argument against BD50 penetration. Even their BD50 releases (there are quite many - and usually the big sellers again - like Departed) don't "use" this format - they are just direct HD-DVD ports that take less than 30GB of the available space (with the exception of an added PCM track here and there).



Thank you and kind regards.
 

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Interesting. For things with releases dates (not counting Cars since I don't think it is actually coming out on the 5th of June) I see 14 BD50s and 4 BD25s, or 78% to 22% in favor of BD50s for things with dates. Counting postponed, looks like 20 to 11, or 65% to 35% in favor of BD50s.


Anybody know how long it took before well over half of DVDs being released were DL?


--Darin

Dear Darin,


that's exactly my point. Dual Layer BD50 penetration has happened much faster than DVD9 ever was.


"Science Fiction" became mainstream in a matter of just of few months.
 

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For example what's the ratio BD50 versus BD25 just in 2007?

BD25:

American Psycho Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007

Beerfest Warner Bros. Jan 30, 2007

Broken Arrow 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

Chain Reaction 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

Chronos Koch Entertainment Feb 13, 2007

Courage Under Fire 20th Century Fox Jan 23, 2007

The Covenant Sony Pictures Jan 02, 2007

Dog Day Afternoon Warner Bros. Apr 10, 2007

Dragon's Lair Digital Leisure Apr 17, 2007

Employee of the Month Lionsgate Films Jan 16, 2007

Entrapment 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

Eragon 20th Century Fox Mar 20, 2007

Failure to Launch Paramount Pictures Apr 24, 2007

The Fountain Warner Bros. May 15, 2007

Happy Feet Warner Bros. Mar 27, 2007

Hart's War Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jan 30, 2007

The Holiday Sony Pictures Mar 13, 2007

Hoosiers Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Mar 13, 2007

The Marine 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

Men of Honor 20th Century Fox Jan 23, 2007

Night at the Museum 20th Century Fox Apr 24, 2007

Open Season Sony Pictures Jan 30, 2007

Phone Booth 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

Planet Earth: The Complete Collection BBC Apr 24, 2007

Planet of the Apes 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

The Queen Disney / Buena Vista Apr 24, 2007

Rambo: First Blood Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007

Reign of Fire Disney / Buena Vista Feb 13, 2007

Relentless Enemies National Geographic Mar 27, 2007

Reservoir Dogs Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007

Revenge: Director's Cut Sony Pictures May 08, 2007

Saw II Lionsgate Films Jan 23, 2007

Saw III Lionsgate Films Jan 23, 2007

Scooby-Doo Warner Bros. Jan 16, 2007

The Sentinel 20th Century Fox Feb 13, 2007

The Usual Suspects Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Feb 13, 2007

The Wicker Man Warner Bros. Jan 30, 2007

Young Guns Lionsgate Films Feb 06, 2007



BD50:

A Scanner Darkly Warner Bros. Apr 10, 2007

Alien vs. Predator 20th Century Fox Jan 23, 2007

Babel Paramount Pictures Feb 20, 2007

Big Fish Sony Pictures Mar 20, 2007

Black Rain Paramount Pictures Jan 23, 2007

Bullitt Warner Bros. Feb 27, 2007

Casanova Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007

Casino Royale Sony Pictures Mar 13, 2007

Catch and Release Sony Pictures May 08, 2007

Chicago Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007

Chicken Little Disney / Buena Vista Mar 20, 2007

Crank Lionsgate Films Jan 09, 2007

Deja Vu Disney / Buena Vista Apr 24, 2007

The Departed Warner Bros. Feb 13, 2007

Destiny's Child: Live in Atlanta Sony Music Feb 20, 2007

Dirty Dancing Lionsgate Films May 08, 2007

The Dirty Dozen Warner Bros. Apr 17, 2007

Donnie Brasco: Extended Cut Sony Pictures May 08, 2007

Dreamgirls Paramount Pictures May 01, 2007

Enter the Dragon Warner Bros. Apr 17, 2007

Finding Neverland Disney / Buena Vista Mar 20, 2007

Flyboys Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Jan 30, 2007

G.I. Jane Disney / Buena Vista Apr 03, 2007

The Getaway Warner Bros. Feb 27, 2007

GoodFellas Warner Bros. Jan 16, 2007

Gridiron Gang Sony Pictures Jan 16, 2007

The Guardian Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007

Happily N'Ever After Lionsgate Films May 01, 2007

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Disney / Buena Vista Jan 23, 2007

Identity Sony Pictures Apr 03, 2007

Incubus: Alive at Red Rocks Sony Music Mar 27, 2007

King Arthur: Director's Cut Disney / Buena Vista Apr 03, 2007

Ladder 49 Disney / Buena Vista Feb 13, 2007

Layer Cake Sony Pictures Mar 13, 2007

The Manchurian Candidate Paramount Pictures Jan 23, 2007

March of the Penguins Warner Bros. Mar 27, 2007

Nine Inch Nails: Beside You in Time Interscope Feb 27, 2007

Payback: Straight Up Paramount Pictures Apr 10, 2007

The Prestige Disney / Buena Vista Feb 20, 2007

The Pursuit of Happyness Sony Pictures Mar 27, 2007

Resident Evil: Apocalypse Sony Pictures Jan 16, 2007

Rocky Balboa Sony Pictures Mar 20, 2007

Running with Scissors Sony Pictures Feb 06, 2007

Secret Window Sony Pictures Apr 24, 2007

Stranger Than Fiction Sony Pictures Feb 27, 2007

The Tailor of Panama Sony Pictures Feb 06, 2007

Ultimate Avengers Collection Lionsgate Films Apr 24, 2007

Vertical Limit Sony Pictures Feb 20, 2007

Volver Sony Pictures Apr 03, 2007

Warriors of Heaven and Earth Sony Pictures Mar 27, 2007

We Were Soldiers Paramount Pictures Jan 23, 2007

The World's Fastest Indian Magnolia Pictures Feb 13, 2007




38 BD25 vs 52 BD50 by my account.


That's 58 percent BD50 YTD.
 

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^^^^


What would avsforum be without Grubert ? Unthinkable.


Thank you so much - truely "Truth. Information. Relevance. Clarity."



One inaccuracy though - you have The Queen Disney / Buena Vista Apr 24, 2007 listed as BD25, but it actually is BD50 (I have it myself).



So 58 percent BD50 YTD. It is a very good and easy guess that the reality as it is today is even more leaning towards BD50. Just look at the upcoming weeks.



AND please, everybody, look at the actual titles released on BD25 versus BD50. Now guess how many actual BD25 discs were sold, and how many BD50 units...


Little hint: The only "big seller" on BD25 seems to be Planet Earth - which is completely irrelevant as an argument because Warner spread it over 4 BD25 instead of 2 BD50 just for marketing purposes and "to play fair" (-> if HD-DVD needs four discs to fit this series Blu-Ray "should" as well).


Just for fun add another 500,000 free BD50 copies of Casino Royal for us Europeans and we end up with significantly more BD50 movie discs produced and in the hands of customers worldwide than even HD30.


To put it another way - there are actually more dual layer BD50 movie discs "out there" in peoples homes than dual layer HD30.



Help me, I think I'm trapped in a Science Fiction movie here...


(rdjam, depending on your real agenda and intention behind this thread, is it fair by now to assume that it back-fired?
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btw Grubert,


talking about present and future trend.


If you include just this weeks and next weeks releases the actual YTD BD50 ratio will become 61,5% (64 out of 104)


+ 3,5% YTD in just two weeks


present situation (no conclusive data as we are just talking about a two weeks sample): 78,5% of all releases (this week and the next) are on BD50. Unnecessary to mention that this 78,5% include every single big seller release.


Just 3 out of 14 titles are on BD25 -> two direct HD-DVD ports from Warner and the critically acclaimed box office hit "Primeval"...


I guess the present situation and the trend are quite obvious.
 

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btw Grubert,


talking about present and future trend.


If you include just this weeks and next weeks releases the actual YTD BD50 ratio will become 61,5% (64 out of 104)


+ 3,5% YTD in just to weeks


present situation: 78,5% of all releases (this week and the next) are on BD50. Unnecessary to mention that this 78,5% include every single big seller release.


Just 3 out of 14 titles are on BD25 -> two direct HD-DVD ports from Warner and the critically acclaimed box office hit "Primeval"...


I guess the present situation and the trend are quite obvious.


Yeah, but that's partly because Fox isn't releasing anything to bring down the average.



BTW I just realised that an update of the stats on my release calendar is long overdue!
 

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Wow, this does show a rather significant increase in the number of BD50 titles being released. Honestly, I don't think that the most ardent Blu-ray supporter would have predicted this 5-6 months ago.
 

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To put it another way - there are actually more dual layer BD50 movie discs "out there" in peoples homes than dual layer HD30.

Quoted for emphasis. I remember when the representative of a certain company told us, promised us, that BD50 was "science fiction" and would never see the light of day.
 

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Quoted for emphasis. I remember when the representative of a certain company told us, promised us, that BD50 was "science fiction" and would never see the light of day.

Dont forget that HD-DVD was supposed to make it cheaper and faster to press discs compared to blu-ray, yet there are MILLIONS of blu-ray discs pressed by now (every single playstation 3 game made is on a blu-ray discs), so if you want to get technical, i'd wager that there are 3-4 times as many blu-ray discs made, pressed and "in homes" then hd-dvd by now. Isnt that how you make stuff cheaper? By making more of them?
 

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So, I'm curious. Now we have a pretty accurate list of what's on 25 and whats on 50,


Can you see and hear the inferiority of the 25's before you knew they were 25's?


Have the studios that have crummy 25's by contrast have stellar 50's?
 

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A BD25 with a max video bitrate at 40Mbps holds around 100mins video. If the feature is less than 100mins, it won't use the full 25G even at a constant max bitrate. Unless there is lots of extra, there is no need for a BD50 in those case.


For a longer movie then it's basically a bitrate issue. Lower bitrate will fit in a BD25 (or a HD-DVD DL30), higher bitrate will need a BD50.


As of today there is no major movie title that use a lower bitrate on HD-DVD and a higher bitrate on blu-ray, with the SAME codec. Hence we can't do a direct bitrate comparison yet.


By general logic, higher bitrate should give a overall better image. Whether we can clearly see the difference in each of our own setup is another issue. Though Microsoft VC1 guys have a different idea and insist current low bit-rate VC1 HD-DVDs are already matched the image quality of the master reference. Since we can not check the master we must simply "believe" them.


On the HD-DVD, both disc size and playback bitrate/bandwidth are limited. A blu-ray BD50 has a much bigger and higher size/bitrate ceiling. We get our high bitrate and HD-DVD lover can still watch their low bitrate titles on blu-ray! In fact Warner is doing it already!



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By general logic, higher bitrate should give a overall better image. Whether we can clearly see the difference in each of our own setup is another issue.

Frankly, to me that ought to be the main issue, and whether or not something looks better in theory is of little or no consequence.


That's why I asked if the companies who put out both BD25 and BD50 automatically have better looking product on the 50's. I would think it has more to do with how much attention and care they devote to getting a top-notch master.


Anyone who has a cartload of SDs has seen, all DVDs are not created equal even if their capacity is. In fact they vary wildly even on different masterings of the same elements.
 

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A BD25 with a max video bitrate at 40Mbps holds around 100mins video. If the feature is less than 100mins, it won't use the full 25G even at a constant max bitrate. Unless there is lots of extra, there is no need for a BD50 in those case.


For a longer movie then it's basically a bitrate issue. Lower bitrate will fit in a BD25 (or a HD-DVD DL30), higher bitrate will need a BD50.


As of today there is no major movie title that use a lower bitrate on HD-DVD and a higher bitrate on blu-ray, with the SAME codec. Hence we can't do a direct bitrate comparison yet.


By general logic, higher bitrate should give a overall better image. Whether we can clearly see the difference in each of our own setup is another issue. Though Microsoft VC1 guys have a different idea and insist current low bit-rate VC1 HD-DVDs are already matched the image quality of the master reference. Since we can not check the master we must simply "believe" them.


On the HD-DVD, both disc size and playback bitrate/bandwidth are limited. A blu-ray BD50 has a much bigger and higher size/bitrate ceiling. We get our high bitrate and HD-DVD lover can still watch their low bitrate titles on blu-ray! In fact Warner is doing it already!



regards,


Li On

Amen..Spot on post...
 
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