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I've harassed the members of the owners' threads, read a few of the debate threads, looked at test data presented here, at data-bass, ht shack, and tried to correlate that with my own experience -- to figure out what would work best for me.
Dedicated, sealed, treated room 12' x 16' x 7.5'.
Triad Bronze LCR speakers capable of reaching reference level (if crossed over at 120hz) at the MLP (about 8.5' off the front wall). The MLP has room for two or three people in a row, and this is what I optimize for, though there is a second row on a riser.
False wall with AT screen -- there is about 16" of space behind that wall, and I could move it a couple inches if needed -- or "bump out" the front below the screen (which is which is at about 28 inches off the ground, to accommodate sub footprints.
Extensive modeling suggests two subs on the front wall, at 1/4 and 3/4 locations are going to do well for getting even bass across the MLP couch.
I will parametric EQ available in the pre-pro, but it will be a single sub channel and applied to both.
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In the past I have owned a couple different HSU, a Velodyne DD, a REL, a JL Audio (113), and a Thiel SW1/SS2. My experience was that the JL Audio was no more articulate than the HSU, but did rumble even lower and look better. The REL was excellent for music but didn't rumble. The DD was my first, nearly 20 years ago, and is too long ago to recall well. The Thiel was by far the best -- perfect for music, excellent for movies, but I could not afford a second (list is $5k! used is $2k+ and very rarely available) so I sold the Thiel and am on the hunt.
Figuring a budget in the $2k range for two subs, and knowing that it has got to be articulate, I narrowed my choices a bit and think it's either Dual Rythmik F15's or SVS PC12-Plus's. Yes, I could get more rumble and thunder from other choices (PSA) and more precision with less rumble, but these seem like the Goldilocks choices in my range, in my room, with my tastes.
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In simple terms, the Rythmik leans towards leaner output but more precision and the SVS leans a little the other direction, but I'm not sure how much overlap they have. For example, in sealed mode would the SVS be essentially like the Rythmik? or still a little less precise? and have more or less output? clearly the SVS with open ports would have more output at 20hz than the Rythmik, but would I be happy during those 20%-of-my-time critical music listening moments?
Yes, I could order both, and see, and I may end up doing that. But that's a couple hundred dollar investment due to shipping costs. If I can eliminate one choice, that would be ideal. At first I thought I could eliminate the Rythimk just from a re-sale perspective -- ie, an SVS sub on craigslist where I live would disappear in 24 hours. But Rythmik has gained a lot of brand recognition so I cannot use that trump card (I'll be stuck with a big loss in two years if I want to sell them and try something else) as a deciding factor, either.
Thoughts? What are the obvious factors I am missing?
Dedicated, sealed, treated room 12' x 16' x 7.5'.
Triad Bronze LCR speakers capable of reaching reference level (if crossed over at 120hz) at the MLP (about 8.5' off the front wall). The MLP has room for two or three people in a row, and this is what I optimize for, though there is a second row on a riser.
False wall with AT screen -- there is about 16" of space behind that wall, and I could move it a couple inches if needed -- or "bump out" the front below the screen (which is which is at about 28 inches off the ground, to accommodate sub footprints.
Extensive modeling suggests two subs on the front wall, at 1/4 and 3/4 locations are going to do well for getting even bass across the MLP couch.
I will parametric EQ available in the pre-pro, but it will be a single sub channel and applied to both.
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In the past I have owned a couple different HSU, a Velodyne DD, a REL, a JL Audio (113), and a Thiel SW1/SS2. My experience was that the JL Audio was no more articulate than the HSU, but did rumble even lower and look better. The REL was excellent for music but didn't rumble. The DD was my first, nearly 20 years ago, and is too long ago to recall well. The Thiel was by far the best -- perfect for music, excellent for movies, but I could not afford a second (list is $5k! used is $2k+ and very rarely available) so I sold the Thiel and am on the hunt.
Figuring a budget in the $2k range for two subs, and knowing that it has got to be articulate, I narrowed my choices a bit and think it's either Dual Rythmik F15's or SVS PC12-Plus's. Yes, I could get more rumble and thunder from other choices (PSA) and more precision with less rumble, but these seem like the Goldilocks choices in my range, in my room, with my tastes.
----
In simple terms, the Rythmik leans towards leaner output but more precision and the SVS leans a little the other direction, but I'm not sure how much overlap they have. For example, in sealed mode would the SVS be essentially like the Rythmik? or still a little less precise? and have more or less output? clearly the SVS with open ports would have more output at 20hz than the Rythmik, but would I be happy during those 20%-of-my-time critical music listening moments?
Yes, I could order both, and see, and I may end up doing that. But that's a couple hundred dollar investment due to shipping costs. If I can eliminate one choice, that would be ideal. At first I thought I could eliminate the Rythimk just from a re-sale perspective -- ie, an SVS sub on craigslist where I live would disappear in 24 hours. But Rythmik has gained a lot of brand recognition so I cannot use that trump card (I'll be stuck with a big loss in two years if I want to sell them and try something else) as a deciding factor, either.
Thoughts? What are the obvious factors I am missing?
