[Chris Albert]

Hi all,


Need a little help from Dune pros...just got my Dune (finally 23.98fps with no HTPC issues!!!) BUT selected PCM decode out 7.1 into my Denon 5805 but it's coming up on the Denon L + R, not 7.1


I'm going from the Dune into a 1x2 HDMI splitter then out to the Denon and a Projector. (I have bypassed the splitter and gone direct Dune>Denon and it's the same)


Any ideas?

 

[Mr Eric]

not sure but : i think you only get 2.0 through HDMI with PCM. To have 5.1 you need to use the optical and setup the dune as bitstream (your denon will decode the audio).


PS : I guess that the 5805 is not able to decode HD audio...

 

[Chris Albert]



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Originally Posted by Mr Eric  /t/1421469/dune-h1-pcm-decode-out-t...ereo-on-the-reciever-help/0_100#post_22242456


not sure but : i think you only get 2.0 through HDMI with PCM. To have 5.1 you need to use the optical and setup the dune as bitstream (your denon will decode the audio).

PS : I guess that the 5805 is not able to decode HD audio...

Hi, thanks for the reply....It can do multi ch PCM, that's how I was getting 7.1 out of my HTPC with a Zonar HDAV sound card...that's why I'm confused.


Have also read about others using this setup.

 

[Mr Eric]

i think that the problem is not your denon but the dune. Check here and try the patch : http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28070&page=6


As I'm not using PCM output, may be this was corrected in a new firmware following this topic on MPCC. Which firmware are you running ? (because your D1 is new doesn't mean that you've got the latest firmware installed)

 

[Chris Albert]



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Originally Posted by Mr Eric  /t/1421469/dune-h1-pcm-decode-out-t...ereo-on-the-reciever-help/0_100#post_22242560


i think that the problem is not your denon but the dune. Check here and try the patch : http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28070&page=6

As I'm not using PCM output, may be this was corrected in a new firmware following this topic on MPCC. Which firmware are you running ? (because your D1 is new doesn't mean that you've got the latest firmware installed)

That could be it...it's running 110606_1315_update1

 

[Mr Eric]

wow, that's a very old firmware. Try to update to the latest one (beta is OK) and check if it's working. If not, which means that the problem is still not corrected, try to apply the patch.

 

[Chris Albert]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Eric  /t/1421469/dune-h1-pcm-decode-out-t...ereo-on-the-reciever-help/0_100#post_22242560


i think that the problem is not your denon but the dune. Check here and try the patch : http://www.mpcclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28070&page=6

As I'm not using PCM output, may be this was corrected in a new firmware following this topic on MPCC. Which firmware are you running ? (because your D1 is new doesn't mean that you've got the latest firmware installed)

OK that got it. Upgraded to latest firmware and used that .dsf file.


BUT.. (bugger) the Dune plugged directly into my 5805 supplies 7.1 or plugged into the Monoprice spltter...but when Iplu the JVC RS2 projector into the splitter also it reverts to R+L


I'll post this problem in another thread.


Thanks for the help.

 

[Mr Eric]

I guess that the splitter is using the lowest common possibilities. Try to check if the jvc as some kind of Hdmi CEC feature on and disable it.

 

[Chris Albert]

EDIT:


So this was news to me...unless splitter has EDID (the ID of the device that you're plugging in) manual selection the splitter will feed out the lowest format. So plugging in a 7.1 PCM Dune and a JVC Projector reverts both outputs to L+R Only.


One solution is to get a 'HDMI Detective' that you put in my case between the JVC and the splitter. The Detective tells the splitter that it is 7.1 the same as the Dune.

 

[Kal Rubinson]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Albert  /t/1421469/dune-h1-pcm-decode-out-t...-as-stereo-on-the-reciever-help#post_22256768


One solution is to get a 'HDMI Detective' that you put in my case between the JVC and the splitter. The Detective tells the splitter that it is 7.1 the same as the Dune.

The most common solution is to feed the display from the output of the AVR.  

 

[Chris Albert]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson  /t/1421469/dune-h1-pcm-decode-out-t...ereo-on-the-reciever-help/0_100#post_22256910


The most common solution is to feed the display from the output of the AVR.  

Well this is a bit embarrassing, my Denon 5805 would not pass through 24p from my HTPC but it will with the Dune.


Problem now is that the Dune is only putting out 5.1 not 7.1 when playing a 7.1 source...any ideas?

 

[Jon Spackman]

With pcm, your only gonna get 5.1


The dune does not decode 7.1, if you update firmware and try 7.1, you will see 7.1 however the back two channels will not actually have sound.


Best suggestion is use 5.1 with pl2x to extract the back. Should sound the same as if you had actual 7.1 input.


Or upgrade AVR to something that bitstreams.

 

[Chris Albert]



Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Spackman  /t/1421469/dune-h1-pcm-decode-out-t...ereo-on-the-reciever-help/0_100#post_22279648


With pcm, your only gonna get 5.1

The dune does not decode 7.1, if you update firmware and try 7.1, you will see 7.1 however the back two channels will not actually have sound.

Best suggestion is use 5.1 with pl2x to extract the back. Should sound the same as if you had actual 7.1 input.

Or upgrade AVR to something that bitstreams.

Thanks Jon. It's not the end of the world if I don't get 7.1


I recently purchased a used Denon 5805 for $1,000 on eBay, it's a fantastic receiver but it does not have the MkII upgrade. (The upgrade is $1000, but im bot sure if that will inc dolby HD/DTS master decode). The rationale was the superb quality of a $6,000 receiver without bitstream vs paying $1,000 for something new which I would not think would be as good sounding. (I was blown away by the difference the Audyssey MultiEQ made also)


Personally I think the analogue 7.1 outs sound just as good as HDMI, but I was a little fooled by the Dune US site which states "7.1 PCM Decode" for the Dune H1.


When the next gen of Dune comes out hopefully with BR 3D capability I'll grab a unit with analogue 7.1 out.


Any other suggestions welcome.

 

[Colourist]

I use a PS3 into the Denon 5805 The PS3 does the hard lifting. The 5805 gets discreet UN-compressed sounds nice. I wish Denon kept to there words on there site and the manual...


"Internally, the 5805 has removable video and audio boards, opening the path to future improvements and upgrades, even those Denon hasn�t thought of yet."


I now have a great job for my ol 5805. Outdoor living room. and the whole back yard audio. 1700 watts! My neighbors love me!