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Dune just announced their new lineup of players.

Dune HD Pro 4K:
  • Realtek RTD1295
  • 2GB RAM
  • 16 GB internal flash
  • MRSP of 199$
  • Availability: Dec/2017 - Jan/2018
Official page:http://dune-hd.com/eng/products/full_hd_media_players/57


Dune HD Pro 4K Ultra:
  • Realtek RTD1296
  • 4GB RAM
  • 32 GB internal flash
  • ESS SABRE DAC (ES9038PRO)
  • XLR out
  • 2x 3.5HDD
  • MRSP of 799$
  • Availability: Jan/2017 - Feb/2018 (typo: obviously it should be Jan/2018)
Official page:http://dune-hd.com/eng/products/full_hd_media_players/58


Similarities:
  • BT.2020 HDR compatible
  • Android 6.0.1 / 7.1
  • BD Menu (same engine as on the Linux based 4K lineup)
  • HDMI 2.0a
  • HDMI input
  • "Famous Hi-End Dune HD GUI running simultaneously with Android OS" I guess they skinned Android completely. Lets hope we get to see some pictures soon
  • My Collection. Lets hope its an updated version with proper TV show support.
Let's see how these players are different from the ones like Zidoo (they look like clones) or Zappiti.


Remaining: (Updated based on several helpful, non-fanboy comments)

- frame rate issues (see nice table in post 5460 at https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-networking-media-servers-content-streaming/2938740-dune-hd-pro-4k-ultra-thread-55.html#post57992320)
- HDR metadata (MaxCLL and MaxFALL)
- forced subs in MKV files
- audio sync options
- DVD playback (picture quality, poor color, pixilation, aspect ratio handling)
- DVD chapter skip (ISO)
- Fast Forward and Fast Rewind functionality using the UHD Menu (bugfixes and improvements)
- improved MyCollection
- Netflix App (Ultra HD 4k, bugfixes and improvements)

Anything else?

The following seem to have been fixed at some point in the past:

- mkv file playing
- settings for brightness, contrast, saturation, hue (available since 180606_1345_r13)
 

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To my knowledge the RTD1295/96 SoC has problems with the following:

VC-1 produces stutter every once in a while. I noticed this a while ago with the Zappiti I reviewed. Realtek has still not fixed this issue.
In addition, AVC [email protected] (should only apply to some early iTunes HD videos) and AVC [email protected] (2160p AVC videos, which most players have problems with anyway. Although I didn't really notice it on the Zappiti) make problems as well.
 

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Hi Sledge! Hope to read your reviews, about this new model, as soon as your get your hands on it! ;)
Unless Dune will let me keep the device and loan me a 4K TV, which I hardly doubt, I wont do a review of this device.
I just done have the time right now do to a proper review as I would need to drive a few hundred kilometers to a dealer (dont even know if we would let me as I would block his prime show room for several hours and he doesn't even sell Dunes) in order to test the 4K capabilities. Having 4K equipment at home would significantly help.
 

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Looks like they have quite a few new models on the way :)

I think the Pro 4K Ultra is the one for me. It doesn't look quite as classic Dune as the older range but it looks like they have finally given them a real metal front panel :grin:
It seems to be along the same lines as the zapitti duo but I guess they have to work with whatever the chip can do!

Most of the other new models do look like the android boxes going around but at least they appear to be aluminium now instead of plastic.

Looks like a winner to me :)
 

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Makes total sense! That's fair enough. I do have a 4K projector, but the A500 being a 4K player the colours and the resolution looks a bit blurred and faded!
 

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Besides, Dune HD GUI has been upgraded with additional functions, such as automatic movie recognition in file browser, improved support for TV series in My Collection and Movies catalog, and more.
That sounds good.

3D video: Play all popular 3D video formats, including MVC (BD3D ISO), Side-by-Side, Top-and-Bottom
I still dont get why Dune still does not support MVC inside mkv. Funny that they write "all popular 3D video formats"....

Note that the following applies to full BD menu, iOS and Android mobile apps and control via IP, control4, etc.:
Some of the listed features may not be available in the factory firmware and may require to install a firmware update. The features marked with (*) are in development and are expected to become available in future firmware updates (expected in Q1/2018)
 

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I see they support HDMI 2.0a and not the recently announced 2.1. OK 2.1 is not available in any hardware yet but releasing brand new products without it will make these boxes behind the curve when they are available early 2018. For example they will not be able to handle the much touted dynamic HDR10 Plus.
 

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I see they support HDMI 2.0a and not the recently announced 2.1. OK 2.1 is not available in any hardware yet but releasing brand new products without it will make these boxes behind the curve when they are available early 2018. For example they will not be able to handle the much touted dynamic HDR10 Plus.
So? HDMI is not a problem general speaking. Instead, The problem is hat the SoC needs to handle those aspects. For example they could have easily released the Solo 4K with HDMI 2.0 but what would it offer you? Nothing because the SoC is the bottleneck.

So what should they do instead? Wait a year or longer for Realtek to provide a new SoC that can handle HDR10 plus while losing sales in the meantime. Also, what content is available in that hdr format? Nothing right now. So far only fox has commuted in hay format and this format has yet to prove itself.

I believe that Dune did the best they could in their situation as they were let down by Sigma.
 

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So? HDMI is not a problem general speaking. Instead, The problem is hat the SoC needs to handle those aspects. For example they could have easily released the Solo 4K with HDMI 2.0 but what would it offer you? Nothing because the SoC is the bottleneck.

So what should they do instead? Wait a year or longer for Realtek to provide a new SoC that can handle HDR10 plus while losing sales in the meantime. Also, what content is available in that hdr format? Nothing right now. So far only fox has commuted in hay format and this format has yet to prove itself.

I believe that Dune did the best they could in their situation as they were let down by Sigma.
Fair point - there is always something new around the corner so they can't wait forever - however I think HDMI 2.1 seems like a big step forward. However as you say there is no hardware yet and to date I've only seen Amazon openly say they are going to support it and I would need a new TV as mine will never support HDR10 plus over HDMI. I would think it will start to appear on UHD bluray at some point. By that time Dune may be lining up their next range!

Price wise the Dune HD Pro 4K looks the one or me. Will these have the Google play store so it will be able to have Amazon and Netflix apps? If so goodbye to my Nvidia Shield TV!
 

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Wow, exciting news, first time ever Dune HD using Realtek chipset in their player, can't wait to see how these 2 new models compare to Zidoo X10, really hope it's able to convert HDR to SDR like what Panasonic UB900, Oppo 203, Egreat A11 and Himedia Q10 Pro can do
 

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Dune always has the right idea but wrong execution. The Sabre DAC that they include can do 8-Channels but they only have 2 channel analog output. About 20% of my music is 6-channel and this product is unable to handle that. Most people who will use this product will have at least 6 speakers anyway... why not make a product that can use them?!?!

Still have to stick to a general purpose computer to get everything in one package. I am assembling one right now for about $1,000. Not much different in price for vastly improved functionality and quality.
 

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Wow, exciting news, first time ever Dune HD using Realtek chipset in their player, can't wait to see how these 2 new models compare to Zidoo X10, really hope it's able to convert HDR to SDR like Egreat A11 and Himedia Q10 Pro
When they convert hdr to sdr can they able to keep BT2020 WCG?
 

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Blu-ray menu (*): Enjoy full Blu-ray menu navigation (same Blu-ray playback engine as on Linux/SMP8758 based Dune HD models) or use simple BD Lite menu at your discretion
I wonder if UHD menus are on the roadmap too..
 

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I gotta say: The HD Solo 4K was such a huge disappointment that I feel like I should wait and see before even thinking about buying one of these. If I didn't need the form factor of the Solo I would have gone back to my trusty old Smart H1 for daily duty. Definitely not signing up for the bugs and missing features that the Solo 4K brought. And now the form factor has doubled in footprint size.
 

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Well, I find this news rather disappointing. I was hoping for a better chipset given the costs.

I have a Zappiti 4k HDR and only use it on a small TV. Most of my content is 1080p and playback with this chipset on a projector or even a 60" TV is poor when compared to my existing Dune players or the several android players using the Hi3798C V200 chipset. Even a cheap chrome box player has significantly better image quality.

Then there is the fact that their interface looked dated 5 years ago. I guess I will wait for the reviews, but it I doubt I will be purchasing one unless they somehow manage to do something that no one else has been able to do with this chipset. Which is sad considering over the years I have owned 5 of their players. In fact, I still have 3 of them in use.:(
 

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Anyone have any information why the Dune Pro and the Zidoo X20 have identical mockups. Zidoo images came out 2 months ago. Who is the original hardware manufacturer. Are they both a rebadged Chinese player running different middle ware? A steep price tag with the competition having an identical looking player seems odd. Or did someone steal the Dune design for the Zidoo mockup.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/zidoo-x20-pro-sacd-playback.2125811/

Going off this thread. And the mention that Zidoo is getting a new "movie wall" I wonder if DUNE and Zidoo do not have a partnership going. I bet the Zidoo comes in at $500
 

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Curious to see if the Realtek units will support HD Netflix.

Furthermore, since Dune HD Pro 4K cost almost 80% more than the identical Zidoo X9s ,they must deliver a fine tuned software that will make a difference.
 

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Bro dune hd pro 4k will have optical for sound? Thank you
Yes.

Fair point - there is always something new around the corner so they can't wait forever - however I think HDMI 2.1 seems like a big step forward. However as you say there is no hardware yet and to date I've only seen Amazon openly say they are going to support it and I would need a new TV as mine will never support HDR10 plus over HDMI. I would think it will start to appear on UHD bluray at some point. By that time Dune may be lining up their next range!

Price wise the Dune HD Pro 4K looks the one or me. Will these have the Google play store so it will be able to have Amazon and Netflix apps? If so goodbye to my Nvidia Shield TV!
Yes, its a big step forward. Especially things like Quick Media Switching/Variable Refresh Rate will offer a seamless experiences. However, there is only one SoC that is available which supports that and it is inside the new Apple TV 4K.

Rumor has it that HDR10+ support for UHD BD will be announced at CES 2018.

From the spec sheet it sounds like the Google play store will be available.
 
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