Not wanting to go the software/pc editing route to move dvd-ram shows to dvd-r I decided to try something different. After editing out commercials on DVD-RW and DVD-RAM, I have both the Panasonic E20 and Pioneer DVR-7000, I take them to my PC. I make an ISO image of the erasable disc and then burn that to DVD-R. Funny thing is they won't play in my E20, even though it will read & play DVD-RW as well as -RAM discs. However, the DVD-Rs WILL play in my DVR-7000 as well as my Panasonic RP91. The 7000 won't read DVD-RAM discs but plays them fine when copied to DVD-R. Just thought I'd share.