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I may have a possible chance to get a relitively low hour DWIN HD700 CRT projector. I have had a few CRT's in the past and have gotten away from them for a few years now and I just came into a project that could give me the opertunity to aquire a very lightly used HD700.


I used to work for a company before starting mine that sold those machines and I used to play with it back in the day. I thought it was a pretty good machine but there were obviously other CRT machines that were a lot better.


My last CRT projector was a BARCO 701s that was really quite nice. I sold it a few years ago and went to DLP which I am 100% happy with and have really no reason to change. I did see the new DILA machine JVC is comming out with and would buy it in a second when it comes out.


I again have a chance to grab this DWIN and am toying with the idea of installing it in my theater and seeing what happens. I dont use my theater quite as much as I used to when my projector was my main TV in my apartment and now that I have a house and have a dedicated theater room I think it might be kinda cool to have CRT again, I really dont know though if I want to go back to CRT set up again though.


Any way, according to what I read on Curt's site and a few posts here I see the HD700 will sync to a 720p signal. Thats what Im running my DLP at and want to keep everything the same. I dont want to run at less then 720p.

So does the HD700 run safely at 720p?


I know my BARCO couldnt do it and I had to run 1080i on it. If I have to on the DWIN then Im wasting my time and may just have to wait to go 1080p with the new JVC machine.
 

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I have a DWIN 500 which is supposedly pretty similar in resolving capacity. I can just barely do 720p but it is a tad soft. These DWINS are nice, bright, quiet machines but really look best at closer to 480-600p resolutions. And honestly, there are better performing machines on the market right now for cheap. I'm personally in the process of picking up a NEC PG series machine. Sharp 720p-1080i96, color filtered lenses, and cheap tubes! Easily found for less than $500 right now. Another thing with the DWIN is spare parts aren't as abundant. Maybe some DWIN 700 owners will chime in on 720p sharpness.
 

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Yea I know these are not the most popular projectors. I just remember when this place I used to work sold them for 25k. I thought the HD 700 looked pretty good with the transcanner but I have no idea if it was really pushing more then 480p as the transcanner really has no output setting for progressive settings if I remember right. I was planning on using my CS-HD scaler set to 720p and just redo the input settings if need be.


Im not worried about spare parts, if I do get the HD700 and it dies Ill just throw it out and buy a better DLP projector then I already have now. I just have this possibility of getting this CRT machine for very little money since this was a 20 something thousand dollar projector about 5 years ago.


I just figure it might be fun to see what it can do compaired to what Im used to now from my H77 DLP Projector.
 

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A former CRT'er completely content with his digital.......


....but must delve back into CRT.


A scenario repeated all too many times here...



Cheers Vic!
 

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Yea I got this bug up my ass I guess lol.... And I got this little deal in the works and I think it might be a something fun to do.


Of course if it works out I will have to completly redo my theater to get the HD700 in place and Im not so sure I want to go there since I just bought the house a year ago and the theater is completly done and looks great.
 

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Yea I know these are not the most popular projectors. I just remember when this place I used to work sold them for 25k. I thought the HD 700 looked pretty good with the transcanner but I have no idea if it was really pushing more then 480p as the transcanner really has no output setting for progressive settings if I remember right. I was planning on using my CS-HD scaler set to 720p and just redo the input settings if need be.


Im not worried about spare parts, if I do get the HD700 and it dies Ill just throw it out and buy a better DLP projector then I already have now. I just have this possibility of getting this CRT machine for very little money since this was a 20 something thousand dollar projector about 5 years ago.


I just figure it might be fun to see what it can do compaired to what Im used to now from my H77 DLP Projector.

If it's a good deal go for it. Don't purchase it just because it once costed thousands tho. Every crt projector was that much back then (quite often more). Just the nature of obsolescence...thank god, otherwise this forum would be considerably smaller.
 

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... and the theater is completly done and looks great.

No it doesn't. You have a digital in it.
 

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I recently hung an HD700 in my HT. It replaced an XG852 because I was tired of the noise of the XG, and because of heat-exhaust problems specific to my HT. My HD700 also has color-filtered lenses, which I am sure helps the colors a lot.


On SD DVDs (upscaled to 720p with a Momitsu v880N) it looks beautiful. Colors are gorgeous. The pic is very definitely soft. I'm not sure if I have it set up 100% yet, but it is definitely not as sharp as the XG was. I don't currently have an HD source so I'm not sure what that would look like.


It IS very, very quiet. You can hear the soft crackle of HV on the tubes louder than its very quiet fans. I run my volume considerably lower than I did with the XG, because I don't need to drown out the noise of the XG (and the very loud exhaust system I have).


If you're looking for razor-sharp images, this is not the projector for you -- no surprise, since it's an ES set. But if you want a small, quiet projector that throws a nice SD pic, it's a pretty nice little box.
 

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Gary, Thanks for that reply....I do remember the HD700 being quiet and the sound of the HV crackle once and a while. I used to go sit in the theater where I used to work when they first got the HD700 and hear that sound. Its kinda cool lol....


I do remember it having a very good pic I just dont know what resolution it was running at. I guess I can try it at 720p and switch to 1080i, maby it wont look as soft interlaced?


The main thing Im interested in is knowing that it does indeed sync to 720p unlike my BARCO 701s wouldnt. Im not sure if the HD700 used the same Toshiba tubes or not, I do know that it dies use Toshiba tubes and that the BARCO looked awesome at 1080i. My brother still reminds me that that projector blew him away and he is NOT a fan of CRT at all. He's gonna think Im crazy to hang the HD700 in my theater but that picture was quite amasing and I think the HD700 can be a little better then the BARCO 701s or at least match it.


I just have to find the throw distance calculator for the DWIN. I used to have one. Im projecting it on a 92" Vutec Mate White 1.0 Gain screen.
 

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The HDP500 uses the same T180 tubes as the 701s. The HD700 uses different toshiba tubes. Also the stock 700 does not come with color filtered lenses (which Gary has) so you would have to add these if you wanted them.
 

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Vic, AVS member Steve Bruzonsky down in Gilbert runs HD-DVDs on his HD700. I assume he's running it at 1080i, but you could check with him. I'm sure he'd be happy to show it to you -- I was just down there over the holidays and he gave me a tour.
 

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Steve B has a HD700? I thought he sold that house and bought some high end digital? I saw his HD700 about 4 years ago. I thought it looked pretty good back then...


I didnt get the HD700 after all. Somebody offered up over a thousand bucks for it and I wasnt gonna match or beat them for that projector. I figured for a few hundred it would be a cool score but not a few grand.


My Crap Digital is really not crap at all, it in fact has an amasing image. I actualy just hooked up my local HD this weekend via antenna in the attic and added 11 HD channels to me system. The picture is outstanding.


I never really did throw the BARCO off the balcony I sure as hell wanted to though. I did sell it and havent looked back. I was working a sweet deal and if it worked out cool, Id try the DWIN and see what I thought but as it didnt work out Im not interested in other CRT projectors. The DWINS are conciderably the newest of the CRT breed and any thing else would problably be from a conferance room with a bunch of hours onit and if it still worked well it will be a matter of time before it will break down. Then to go through the repair stage, forget it not for me.


I guess Ill wait a few months and concider getting the new JVC DILA. This machine puts an end to the need for 9" CRT projectors! It has a constant 15000:1 contrast Ratio. I was given a private viewing of it at CES w/ my sales rep and had a chance to talk to the engineers. It was an awesome presentation and the people at JVC know thier stuff!


I know you guys will still have a reason to say a 9" CRT will blow it away, and thats totally fine.
 

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Vic, the post years ago re me selling my house and home theater was an April Fool's joke.


The HD-700 syncs 1080i or 720p just fine, as well as 480p. The HD-700 is significantly improved from the HD-500 because the former has better resolution and handles the 720p fine without strain.


As a custom installer, if you use your theater to sell products to customers, stay digital for business reasons. If you want the best pix then go CRT.
 

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Vic, the post years ago re me selling my house and home theater was an April Fool's joke.


The HD-700 syncs 1080i or 720p just fine, as well as 480p. The HD-700 is significantly improved from the HD-500 because the former has better resolution and handles the 720p fine without strain.


As a custom installer, if you use your theater to sell products to customers, stay digital for business reasons. If you want the best pix then go CRT.

Are you saying you have no softness whatsover at 720p? You can fully resolve a 1x1 pixel field? My HDP-500 can resolve a 2x2 pixel field for 720p. 1080i however is more than the 500 can handle. I'm actually now running 1280x720i (yes interlaced) for hd and it has truly opened my eyes to how sharp CRT FP can be.


Update 1-23-07 I mistakenly thought I was running 720i when in fact it was 720p. I did test 720i though and the picture is unwatchable due to scanlines. However, after mastering powerstrip settings, both 1024x768p and 1280x720p at 45-50HZ are slightly sharper than at 60hz and above. Also, the DWIN 500 can do 1080i although it is very soft.
 

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Are you saying you have no softness whatsover at 720p? You can fully resolve a 1x1 pixel field? My HDP-500 can resolve a 2x2 pixel field for 720p. 1080i however is more than the 500 can handle. I'm actually now running 1280x720i (yes interlaced) for hd and it has truly opened my eyes to how sharp CRT FP can be.

I only use 720p for 480i NTSC and native 720p HD and if you see my picture you will agree it ain't soft. John Gannon recently ISFed me. I run 1080i HD at the same resolution pass through. I use a Lumagen VisionPro HDP. Can it "fully resolve" a 1X1" pixel field? Well, if it don't its pretty darn close. Gannon is the expert in the whole world when it comes to setting up so many HD-700s and he can give the technical answers correctly. There was also a Secrets of Home Theater review on the HD-700 about 5-6 years ago which I think will give you all the info.
 

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Thanks Steve. I read the secrets article a while back and they pretty much agreed the 700 was slightly sharper.
 

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Steve, Hey I guess I missed that post being a joke lol since I know your a BIG HD700 advocate I couldnt image you going with anything but that DWIN.


Yes I agree as an AV dealer I should keep the digital in the theater to show customers, I do do that once in a while.


I was thinking of actually installing both units just for that purpose. To show DLP and to have a nice DWIN. I could easily do both even if I pulled the DLP off the ceiling and just demo'ed it on the coffee table when people wanted to see it, it would be really easy to do.


See now knowing the BARCO 701s I had was equal to the DWIN 500 tube wise, I now really want the HD700 because its the next step up in CRT's from what I had a few years ago and Ill get blown away by it all over again.


I know I could problably get into an 8" Barco 808s or something like that and forget about 7" machines all together but I really wouldnt go much more then an 8".


The physical size would be just too much for my room and estheticly it wouldnt work. Im definetly looking for a small CRT like the DWIN since I know its performace and what you can squeeze from a DWIN HD700 ( STEVE B )


I guess I can just keep my eyes open and keep thinking if I really want to revisit this CRT thing again.......we'll see
 

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So Vic, gonna throw this one off a balcony and go back to your crap digital?

LOL, I was just going to bring that up
Ole Vic posted some really hateful things about CRT in general and PRMOISED to neve rcome back here. It would be fun to dig up that old thread.

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See now knowing the BARCO 701s I had was equal to the DWIN 500 tube wise, I now really want the HD700 because its the next step up in CRT's from what I had a few years ago and Ill get blown away by it all over again.

I guess I can just keep my eyes open and keep thinking if I really want to revisit this CRT thing again.......we'll see

vic the question you have to ask yourself is " am I worthy of owning another CRT after all the things I said and did ?"
 

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LOL.....................Yea yea sure rub it in........ BUT


I did wind up makign a deal and will have an exceptional DWIN HD700 in a few weeks


I read a post last night that I shouldnt have about accessing the service menu on the H77 I own and Oh Boy. It got pretty messed up for a few hours and I thought I was going to have to send it to OPTOMA to get streightned out. I wound up getting it all figured out and got it calibrated even better then when I first bought it new. The picture is amasing and I think Id like to keep both projectors set up, Not sure on that yet.


So I did wind up making a deal on another HD700. This one has the color filtered lenses and looks to be in excelent condition. I think this weekend I am going to start to make the preperations to get the wiring in the theater moved to the new loacation for the CRT since it will sit closer to the screen then the DLP is right now. Maby actually run a second set of RGB cables and leave them both in there Il lhave to see how that goes.





Ive been away from CRT's for a while and think it would be cool to have a good one this time around. One with less hours and is made distinctly for home theater. One that hasend been repaird once before me and 2 X since I owned it and one with 800 hours.


Ill keep you posted on the progress. . .
 
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