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Hey guys, I wanted to get opinions from fellow Dynaudio fans on a possible upgrade.

Do you think buying a pair of Dynaudio Special Forty would be an upgrade from a Dynaudio BM15 passive? Or should I look at different Dynaudio options?
It would be a huge upgrade. The driver build quality is not even comparable, and the SQ difference would be huge. You are really comparing apples to oranges.
 

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I am not doing a "home theater" in a living room again. I am looking forward to having a dedicated room again soon for HT stuff. Big movie fan so a proper Atmos setup with killer bass is a lot of fun. Put on Mad Max: Fury Road and buckle up buckaroos...
That's the only way to do it properly. Most people's living rooms aren't large enough, and don't have enough space around the seating positions to place surround channels properly. Surround channels do nothing but distract you from the movie when they are too close to your ears. You need space to allow proper dispersion.
 

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It would be a huge upgrade. The driver build quality is not even comparable, and the SQ difference would be huge. You are really comparing apples to oranges.
Oh really? Wow. Eventhough the woofer is smaller on the Special Forty compared to my BM15 its that much of a jump?

Just to be clear, a direct upgrade for me would be from BM15 to Special Forty, or is there another Dynaudio speaker I should look at?
 

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Oh really? Wow. Eventhough the woofer is smaller on the Special Forty compared to my BM15 its that much of a jump?

Just to be clear, a direct upgrade for me would be from BM15 to Special Forty, or is there another Dynaudio speaker I should look at?
What are you looking to accomplish? The BM is a nearfield studio monitor designed for high SPL playback. Special 40 is a completely different application. You can't really just look at the spec sheets.
 

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I read reviews that these speakers can be too big for some rooms .I have a big room with 12 foot ceilings and these bad boys are shocking ! Soundstage! Detail ! Hi end ! Low End ! MIDS ! I was looking for this speaker for 2 years and it was right in front of me . I just couldn't believe that a speaker at this price can compete with speakers 3 times the price . Is this speaker fussy about room size? I've heard that this speaker sounds great in smaller rooms too . All I can say is that these speakers could easily take the Pepsi challenge against most speakers regardless of price . Did I try speakers that were more expensive ? Yup . Does it have to do with my room size or high ceilings ? I don't know but very happy !
 

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I read reviews that these speakers can be too big for some rooms .I have a big room with 12 foot ceilings and these bad boys are shocking ! Soundstage! Detail ! Hi end ! Low End ! MIDS ! I was looking for this speaker for 2 years and it was right in front of me . I just couldn't believe that a speaker at this price can compete with speakers 3 times the price . Is this speaker fussy about room size? I've heard that this speaker sounds great in smaller rooms too . All I can say is that these speakers could easily take the Pepsi challenge against most speakers regardless of price . Did I try speakers that were more expensive ? Yup . Does it have to do with my room size or high ceilings ? I don't know but very happy !
Nice to hear you are digging the C4’s, I have never heard a pair. What are the other speakers that you heard, and felt the C4’s were better?
 

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I read reviews that these speakers can be too big for some rooms .I have a big room with 12 foot ceilings and these bad boys are shocking ! Soundstage! Detail ! Hi end ! Low End ! MIDS ! I was looking for this speaker for 2 years and it was right in front of me . I just couldn't believe that a speaker at this price can compete with speakers 3 times the price . Is this speaker fussy about room size? I've heard that this speaker sounds great in smaller rooms too . All I can say is that these speakers could easily take the Pepsi challenge against most speakers regardless of price . Did I try speakers that were more expensive ? Yup . Does it have to do with my room size or high ceilings ? I don't know but very happy !
I use my C2s in a smallish room (11 x 17 x 8) with a pair of REL subs, and love what they bring to the table. Mahler's 2nd Symphony on vinyl (Solti/LSO on Decca) is glorious. :D
 

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I read reviews that these speakers can be too big for some rooms .I have a big room with 12 foot ceilings and these bad boys are shocking ! Soundstage! Detail ! Hi end ! Low End ! MIDS ! I was looking for this speaker for 2 years and it was right in front of me . I just couldn't believe that a speaker at this price can compete with speakers 3 times the price . Is this speaker fussy about room size? I've heard that this speaker sounds great in smaller rooms too . All I can say is that these speakers could easily take the Pepsi challenge against most speakers regardless of price . Did I try speakers that were more expensive ? Yup . Does it have to do with my room size or high ceilings ? I don't know but very happy !
Glad you are enjoying them. I previously had mine in a "medium" sized room at my old house and I actually think they did a bit better there than currently in my large open plan space. For me they are speakers that are fantastic at everything, If I had any complaint I would say they are more "boring" in some ways than lessor speakers I have heard. No artificial extra sparkle on top or exaggerated upper bass punch. This are good qualities which are appreciated but are not striking. They always sound "right" to me, especially voices.
 

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My C4's are in a 16x18x8.5 room and are quite awesome, I don't think I'd run them in any smaller of a room though...
 

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What are you looking to accomplish? The BM is a nearfield studio monitor designed for high SPL playback. Special 40 is a completely different application. You can't really just look at the spec sheets.
Ah I see. Well my priority is always to get the most resolution out of my speakers. I like how punchy the BM15s sound. I'm more of a midrange guy than anything else. It just looked like the Special 40 had a really sick woofer with a huge voice coil that I think would be very impressive SQ wise.

I thought I'd stick with Dynaudio because of how much I love the BM15s.
 

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Ah I see. Well my priority is always to get the most resolution out of my speakers. I like how punchy the BM15s sound. I'm more of a midrange guy than anything else. It just looked like the Special 40 had a really sick woofer with a huge voice coil that I think would be very impressive SQ wise.

I thought I'd stick with Dynaudio because of how much I love the BM15s.
The drivers used in the BM15 are more on par with the Emit series. The Special 40 and above are on another level. As I stated previously, it's not even a close comparison.
 

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Thinking of coming back to Dyns after about a decade away from them (a pair of BM5A MKII). Current speakers are a pair of KEF LS50W but I'm interested in the 3-way LYD 48 to use in their place to possibly negate the need or better integrate with a sub in my small 11.5'x10'x9' room. Curious as to whether anyone here has experience with them in a home near-field setting (5' from speakers) or what @Otto J might think.

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Stopped by my dealer today to pick up a Chord Qutest to try out.

Had the chance to listen to the Confidence 20’s he is breaking in powered by the Vinnie Rossi Integrated (also being broken in).

Beautiful sound! My first with the Confidence line. Can’t compare that sound with mine (huge, treated room, large difference in $). He said he really liked the Naim SN3 on the CF20’s , a bit more energy in certain parts of the FR.

Came home and listened to a couple of the same tracks in my small room with the SN3 + Special Forty, very satisfying. I’ll hopefully get a listen with the Vinnie Rossi SE when he gets it in, and he will have the Confidence 50’s soon.






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I use my C2s in a smallish room (11 x 17 x 8) with a pair of REL subs, and love what they bring to the table. Mahler's 2nd Symphony on vinyl (Solti/LSO on Decca) is glorious. :D

I have a room similar in size and have found the long wall to be better but for the C2's I understand that you need to get some distance for proper sound staging. From the photo's you have posted, I cannot tell how you control sidewall reflections? Any advice, as I am going to try it your way with my 3.4LE's?
 

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Stopped by my dealer today to pick up a Chord Qutest to try out.

Had the chance to listen to the Confidence 20’s he is breaking in powered by the Vinnie Rossi Integrated (also being broken in).

Beautiful sound! My first with the Confidence line. Can’t compare that sound with mine (huge, treated room, large difference in $). He said he really liked the Naim SN3 on the CF20’s , a bit more energy in certain parts of the FR.

Came home and listened to a couple of the same tracks in my small room with the SN3 + Special Forty, very satisfying. I’ll hopefully get a listen with the Vinnie Rossi SE when he gets it in, and he will have the Confidence 50’s soon.






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Wow. SN3 is good enough for CF20? I am surprised.


Have you compared CF20 with Contour 20/20i by chance?
 

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Stopped by my dealer today to pick up a Chord Qutest to try out.

Had the chance to listen to the Confidence 20’️s he is breaking in powered by the Vinnie Rossi Integrated (also being broken in).

Beautiful sound! My first with the Confidence line. Can’️t compare that sound with mine (huge, treated room, large difference in $). He said he really liked the Naim SN3 on the CF20’️s , a bit more energy in certain parts of the FR.

Came home and listened to a couple of the same tracks in my small room with the SN3 + Special Forty, very satisfying. I’️ll hopefully get a listen with the Vinnie Rossi SE when he gets it in, and he will have the Confidence 50’️s soon.






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Wow. SN3 is good enough for CF20? I am surprised.


Have you compared CF20 with Contour 20/20i by chance?
Why surprised about SN3? You have C20 right? Plays those right? Why would it struggle with CF20?
 

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I have a room similar in size and have found the long wall to be better but for the C2's I understand that you need to get some distance for proper sound staging. From the photo's you have posted, I cannot tell how you control sidewall reflections? Any advice, as I am going to try it your way with my 3.4LE's?
I don't do room treatments per say. I have wall hangings, rugs, pillows, and the records behind the speakers acting as sort of a diffuser. It all sounds great. Could I do measurements, get anxious about them and start adding room treatments and such to make the graph look good? Yes. Would it all improve my enjoyment of music. Maybe. Would it make me enjoy the room less for looking like a recording studio with ugly treatments? Probably. Do I need to bother? Nope. :)

I've spent a lot of time with speaker positioning to get things sound the best and bring out the staging orchestra/choral music. The isoAcoutsics Gaia II feet helped that too. I'm very happy with it all.
 

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Wow. SN3 is good enough for CF20? I am surprised.


Have you compared CF20 with Contour 20/20i by chance?


I didn’t hear the combo, but my guy said it was good - he may have been saying that to make me feel good because that is the amp that I have, but he knows I’m not the customer for the CF20, so he wasn’t blowing sunshine in that way.

I haven’t heard the Contour 20’s, so I can’t speak to a comparison there. The last he told me, my dealer has the Contour 20’s and a SN2 at home.

He did mention to me some good points (sadly I wasn’t listening very well being awed with the equipment in front of me) - he was saying that if he had a guy with x preferences, he would steer them to Naim or Simaudio with the CF20’s, but a different listener, the Vinnie Rossi.

I thought the Vinnie Rossi + CF20 was very, very good - Tracy Chapman’s Fast Car via digital (Naim NX2 server perhaps with Chord Hugo 2 TT) was phenomenal - her voice was nearly holographic, bass was superb, and acoustic guitar was very realistic. He switched to Peter Gabriel’s Mercy Street on the Clearaudio SC Performance - wonderful lower mid range, articulate bass guitar, - I thought the highs were very polite.....especially with the triangle (?) in that track. He tried to explain that they were still breaking in and he tried to explain (over my head) what the hex structure behind the tweeter dome was doing.

He finished the demo with a little Todd Terje that was very lively and energetic. I would have loved to have had a longer demo - especially with the entire So vinyl from Gabriel. But....he did mention that he felt the CF20’s were more efficient than some of the previous top line Dyn’s and we played at good volume with the Vinnie Rossi L2i, and they filled a giant listening room.


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If you're not going to treat a room then I'd suggest listening in the relative nearfield as that will introduce less room interaction (obviously). Farfield in an untreated room will really make it difficult to know what is the recording and what is the room.

Of course there's a myriad of factors at play, not least personal taste, and there's nothing to say a less 'accurate' representation of the recording can't be subjectively more appealing anyway. And yes 'some' treatments are pretty ugly, although there are plenty of companies making decor friendly panels and traps that are less intrusive. But if you're happy then that is all that matters!
 

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Why surprised about SN3? You have C20 right? Plays those right? Why would it struggle with CF20?
Yep and very happy. I just thought CF20 would be a bit harder to drive and sound best with at least a 282/250DR or 300DR combo.
 
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