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Hi,


I'm having issues getting my files to play on PS3 or PC for that manner.


I demux the Blu-Ray files with eac3to and extract DTS-MA track and only the 1080p video file so I can create a digital library of my Blu-Ray movies but I want to save space and maintain original quality of audio and video by just extracting the relevant movie info not extras or additional soundtracks.


So I demux it, I get nice 1080p video file and DTS-MA audio track in a file.


I use TsMuxer to make a new m2ts file with the video and audio track and when it's finished I get nice quality video on PS3 but no audio. I try playing on PC too and no audio as well.


What am I doing wrong here?


I tried extracting DTS core with eac3to and used the same process and it works that way but this is really losing information from original audio which I'm trying to avoid.


Any help appreciated.


Thanks.
 

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What do you mean you extract the DTS-MA track? You should be converting the lossless tracks to flac, following this guide http://sites.google.com/site/xorphdstuff/remuxing .

I could kiss your right now but that would be inappropriate
. This is what I needed.


In general I know what you are talking about, but I bought ArcSoft Total Theater to get the decoder and eac3to doesn't recognize it. But this guide is absolutely what I was looking for. When I tried extracting to FLAC I kept getting FLAC exported with DTS core not full unchanged audio.


When you do eac3to -demux it extract DTS-MA track as a separate file with .dtsma extension. That's what I was TsMuxer-ing with video but couldn't get audio on PS3 or PC.


This shows me exactly what to do.


Is eac3to with default decoders even capable of decoding lossless tracks to FLAC in full spectrum?


am I supposed to get Sonic decoder in order to get the full 24bit DTS-MA tracks transferred to FLAC without loss in quality or eac3to covers that with included decoders?


I'm a bit fuzzy in understanding this?


Thanks a lot.
 

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Originally Posted by Bozster /forum/post/15520614


Is eac3to with default decoders even capable of decoding lossless tracks to FLAC in full spectrum?


am I supposed to get Sonic decoder in order to get the full 24bit DTS-MA tracks transferred to FLAC without loss in quality or eac3to covers that with included decoders?


I'm a bit fuzzy in understanding this?


Thanks a lot.

Just passing along the info I've received from people much smarter than me.



eac3to can convert TrueHD and PCM tracks to flac natively, but for DTS-MA track you need Sonic decoder. Also check out the thread where this guide was originally found, and where there's a community of people who an help you if you have other questions: http://www.abhdtv.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12314


You'll have to register, but it's a great resource to have.
 

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Just passing along the info I've received from people much smarter than me.



eac3to can convert TrueHD and PCM tracks to flac natively, but for DTS-MA track you need Sonic decoder. Also check out the thread where this guide was originally found, and where there's a community of people who an help you if you have other questions: http://www.abhdtv.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12314


You'll have to register, but it's a great resource to have.

Thanks.. I'll check it out for sure.


I'm excited, I'm that much closer to transferring my whole Blu-Ray and HD DVD library onto hard drives for instant access!
 

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...but for DTS-MA track you need Sonic decoder...

From http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Eac3to/How_to_Use:

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DTS-HD decoding can be archived through:


"Sonic Cinemaster Audio Decoder 4.3" DirectShow filter (commercial software)

ArcSoft TotalMedia Theatre (commercial software)


Both decode bit-perfect. Sonic is limited to 5.1 or 6.1 channels depending on the source track, while ArcSoft can output up to 7.1 channels. As a result ArcSoft is the default decoder for DTS-HD.

More info (not from the above link): If an "eac3to -test" shows Arcsoft not installed, yet it really is installed, you may just need to re-register the codecs. I *think* registering (regsvr32 codecname.ax) these four worked for me when I had the same issue: arcdemux.ax, asaudio.ax, asudioeffecthd.ax, and asaudiohd.ax. There are some other potential solutions floating around that involves adding the arcsoft codec directory to the path environment variable and such but I could never get them to work.


Example of Arcsoft decoding DST-HD MA, libFlac encoding to FLAC:

Code:
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C:\\Temp>eac3to i: 1) 3: audio.flac -1000mb
M2TS, 1 video track, 3 audio tracks, 3 subtitle tracks, 1:56:07
1: Chapters, 21 chapters
2: VC-1, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: [B]DTS Master Audio, English, 7.1 channels[/B], 24 bits, 48khz
   (core: DTS, 5.1 channels, 24 bits, 1509kbps, 48khz)
4: DTS, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 255kbps, 48khz
5: DTS, English, 2.0 channels, 24 bits, 255kbps, 48khz
6: Subtitle (PGS), English
7: Subtitle (PGS), Spanish
8: Subtitle (PGS), English
[a03] Extracting audio track number 3...
[a03] [B]Decoding with ArcSoft DTS Decoder[/B]...
[a03] [B]Encoding FLAC with libFlac[/B]...
[a03] Creating file "audio.flac"...
------------------------------------------------
Output of MediaInfo on the FLAC file from above:

Code:
Code:
General
Complete name                    : C:\\Temp\\audio.flac
Format                           : FLAC
Format/Info                      : Free Lossless Audio Codec
File size                        : 260 MiB
Duration                         : 6mn 35s
Overall bit rate                 : 5 517 Kbps
WAVEFORMATEXTENSIBLE_CHANNEL_MAS : 0X63F
VALID_BITS                       : 24
HDCD                             : 0

Audio
Format                           : FLAC
Format/Info                      : Free Lossless Audio Codec
Duration                         : 6mn 35s
Bit rate mode                    : Variable
Bit rate                         : 5 517 Kbps
Channel(s)                       : [B]8 channels[/B]
Sampling rate                    : 48.0 KHz
Resolution                       : 24 bits
Stream size                      : 260 MiB (100%)
Writing library                  : libFLAC 1.2.0 (UTC 2007-07-15)
 

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Thanks guys, arcsoft decoder wasn't recognized by eac3to as I had to manually register in vista with regsvr32 and then path to the ASAudioHD.ax file in total theater folder. Eac3to recognized it ok! Now I have dts he decoder working.


The problem is that sonic cinemaster decoder is not easy to find, at least not legally and as you quoted eric I'm better off with arcsoft and 7.1 support anyways!



I'll give it a go now and see if everything works but I think it's gonna work fine now.


Thanks again.
 

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Oh oh.. I actually made a mistake.. I actually completely forgot that PS3 can't play MKV.


Now I'm faced with the problem. I have no clue how to make a m2ts file by combining mkv video and FLAC audio. TSMuxer can't recognize FLAC and TSRemux crashes on me.


MKV2VOB won't work either cause it only handles AC3.


I'm out of ideas. Any help?
 

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Is there something wrong with using eac3to to extract video to mkv and audio as wav and preserve all the DTS-MA or TrueHD information? Will that work?
 

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What did you end up using?

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Originally Posted by Bozster /forum/post/15522669


Is there something wrong with using eac3to to extract video to mkv and audio as wav and preserve all the DTS-MA or TrueHD information? Will that work?
 

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Is there something wrong with using eac3to to extract video to mkv and audio as wav and preserve all the DTS-MA or TrueHD information? Will that work?

In theory, I think you can use Eac3to to extract the VC-1 or h264 video stream to "video.whatever" and the DTS-HD MA audio stream to "audio.wav" and then use tsMuxeR to combine them into either a TS or M2TS file -- but, and your mileage may vary -- I only ever get a mono audio track in the file output by tsMuxeR even though, before muxing, tsMuxeR says the audio is LPCM and MediaInfo says the WAV file is multi-channel.


I've also tried Eac3to creating PCM files and used Pcm2Tsmu to make the PCM file readable by tsMuxeR, but get the same "1 -channel" audio within the TS or M2TS file. I also have the same issue if I use a disk's native LPCM track; so it is something to do with LPCM and tsMuxeR, not really with DTS-HD MA to WAV or PCM.


If I take the same Eac3to output files (video.whatver and audio.wav) and use MKVMerge to create an MKV file, I do get multi-channel audio, i.e. LPCM.


Strange stuff for sure... I am probably just missing something simple but cannot figure it out at all. In the interim, I have been always creating, at minimum, an AC3 audio track for all my files as it just seems to work 99% of the time no matter what the source audio is.
 

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hey Eric.. when you say mono audio track.. you mean you can hear like only partial audio (one channel) when you view the file, yes?


Here's what's happening to me:


Extracting video is not a problem. Audio is where things go berserk. When I use eac3to to export audio either WAV or FLAC I still get one channel audio, meaning I can hear like music or some partial effects in the scene but not full audio.


Extracting DTS core or AC3 is not a problem. That works but that's not what we are trying to do right.


So I'm looking at possilbe FLAC to WAV decoding because FLAC method from eac3to should properly decode DTS-MA but only make what's needed. If I export to wav, my file is even bigger then the original track when demuxed.


I'm completely losing my mind. I'm seriously thinking about getting Popcorn Hour and completely bypassing PS3 and PC and just using that to stream full audio Blu-ray rips.


So you are saying that if you extract directly MKV and WAV from the m2ts files and then use MKVMerge to combine them, you get a fully working multichannel audio? That could work for me, as eac3to decodes to PCM which is fine as well, just as long as we preserve full audio bitrate and channels.
 

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Originally Posted by davdev /forum/post/15548959


sorry for the stupid question, but where does one get the sonic decoder?

It's tough.. you are better off with ArcSoft DTS Decoder as it supports (should support) 7.1 channels and Sonic only does 5.1



Sonic comes with Cineplex Pack or something like that but I'm unsure whether it comes in it now. The other piece of software is Scenarist or something like that and it has it for sure but is very costly.
 

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Originally Posted by Bozster /forum/post/15547091


So you are saying that if you extract directly MKV and WAV from the m2ts files and then use MKVMerge to combine them, you get a fully working multichannel audio? That could work for me, as eac3to decodes to PCM which is fine as well, just as long as we preserve full audio bitrate and channels.

OK, after a full evening of testing, I am now more confused than before I started...



Here's what I *think* I remember from all of this.


Source = Cast Away Blu-ray = h264 video, DTS-MA 5.1 Audio 24-bit
  • Eac3to -> video.h264, audio.wav
  • MediaInfo of audio.wav = 6 channels, just what we would expect
  • video.h264 & audio.wav -> tsMuxeR (which recognizes audio as LPCM 5.1) -> movie.m2ts
  • MediaInfo of movie.m2ts = PCM, 1 channel (argh!)
  • Video.h264 & audio.wav -> MKVMerge (which recognizes audio as PCM) -> movie.mkv
  • MediaInfo of movie.mkv = PCM, 6 channels, 24-bit (that's more like it)

Enough of all this ID'ing streams, how do they play?


M2TS File:
  • HTPC, WMP 11 on Vista x32 = great video, only loud static for audio
    • What should the graph of this look like? I get Haali -> Default DirectSound for audio while video flows Haali -> ffdshow Video -> Video Renderer
  • HTPC, VLC = seems to have no clue how to play file, thinks there are two video streams
  • HTPC, TMT .128 = great video, good audio, information shows 2 channels, 16 bit, hmmmm....
  • HTPC, Nero Showtime 3 (from Nero 7 suite) = choppy video, choppy audio, OSD shows PCM 6 channel - so it really is "in there" perhaps but I have no idea why MediaInfo doesn't think so
  • WDTV via HDMI to Yamaha receiver = great video, audio output is 2 channel PCM, receiver applies Dolby Pro Logic to it but only "lights up" FL and FR speaker icons

MKV File:
  • HTPC, WMP 11 on Vista x32 = great video, good audio but cannot tell how many channels are actually playing
  • HTPC, VLC = choppy video, great audio, information shows 6 channels
  • HTPC, TMT .128 = great video, no audio, information shows "Other"
  • HTPC, Nero Showtime 3 (from Nero 7 suite) = cannot open file to play
  • WDTV via HDMI to Yamaha receiver = great video, audio output is 2 channel PCM, receiver applies Dolby Pro Logic to it but only "lights up" FL and FR speaker icons


I also have an HTPC connected to the Yamaha via HDMI (ATI 4850 using Realtek HDMI driver) but cannot remember what the result was when playing the M2TS or MKV file through that Vista x64 box. Will try again tomorrow and update this post. I *think* I only saw 2 channel PCM on the receiver but I also know I did not try VLC on the M2TS file on that box to see what VLC said wrt the audio stream.


So, with all of that, I have no idea what will play what and what will not -- this stuff may lead to some serious drinking...
The funny (or is it sad?) thing is I could have played the disk in the BD-30 and watched the entire movie in full, uncompressed LPCM sound in less time than I spent trying to figure this one out - but hey, where's the fun in all of that?
 

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Originally Posted by ericwe /forum/post/15549772


The funny (or is it sad?) thing is I could have played the disk in the BD-30 and watched the entire movie in full, uncompressed LPCM sound in less time than I spent trying to figure this one out - but hey, where's the fun in all of that?

Ha ha.. yep.. but the thing is though.. we want to backup our movies and there's nothing nicer then having full HD audio and 1080p24 video in our library and just tap the button and watch whatever without getting up and looking through our libraries of discs.



I'll try a few things tonight and see if I can figure out something more too.
 

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How I have had successful results is to use TSMuxer for DTS-HD/MA, LPCM and TSREMUXER for TrueHD (bug in TSMuxer for TrueHD). Select only those audio/video streams you want and remux to a bluray structure. I then create an ISO from this and use VCD to mount the ISO... I have no issues in any player to play this (of course those that play bluray structures)...


After the remux depending on the movie I I can get the movie down to between 16 - 18 gig.. I have done 5 blurays so far.. (VC1, MPEG2, MPEG4, TrueHD, DTS-MA, LPCM) and all variants... No AC3 though as I dont care about this...


I have tried time and again to just use the m2ts file - in pwrdvd I get no audio - no matter what I do.


I have not tried Flac yet.. but If I can save more space and get better compatibility I will try this next..

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Originally Posted by ericwe /forum/post/15549772


OK, after a full evening of testing, I am now more confused than before I started...



Here's what I *think* I remember from all of this.


Source = Cast Away Blu-ray = h264 video, DTS-MA 5.1 Audio 24-bit
  • Eac3to -> video.h264, audio.wav
  • MediaInfo of audio.wav = 6 channels, just what we would expect
  • video.h264 & audio.wav -> tsMuxeR (which recognizes audio as LPCM 5.1) -> movie.m2ts
  • MediaInfo of movie.m2ts = PCM, 1 channel (argh!)
  • Video.h264 & audio.wav -> MKVMerge (which recognizes audio as PCM) -> movie.mkv
  • MediaInfo of movie.mkv = PCM, 6 channels, 24-bit (that's more like it)

Enough of all this ID'ing streams, how do they play?


M2TS File:
  • HTPC, WMP 11 on Vista x32 = great video, only loud static for audio
    • What should the graph of this look like? I get Haali -> Default DirectSound for audio while video flows Haali -> ffdshow Video -> Video Renderer
  • HTPC, VLC = seems to have no clue how to play file, thinks there are two video streams
  • HTPC, TMT .128 = great video, good audio, information shows 2 channels, 16 bit, hmmmm....
  • HTPC, Nero Showtime 3 (from Nero 7 suite) = choppy video, choppy audio, OSD shows PCM 6 channel - so it really is "in there" perhaps but I have no idea why MediaInfo doesn't think so
  • WDTV via HDMI to Yamaha receiver = great video, audio output is 2 channel PCM, receiver applies Dolby Pro Logic to it but only "lights up" FL and FR speaker icons

MKV File:
  • HTPC, WMP 11 on Vista x32 = great video, good audio but cannot tell how many channels are actually playing
  • HTPC, VLC = choppy video, great audio, information shows 6 channels
  • HTPC, TMT .128 = great video, no audio, information shows "Other"
  • HTPC, Nero Showtime 3 (from Nero 7 suite) = cannot open file to play
  • WDTV via HDMI to Yamaha receiver = great video, audio output is 2 channel PCM, receiver applies Dolby Pro Logic to it but only "lights up" FL and FR speaker icons


I also have an HTPC connected to the Yamaha via HDMI (ATI 4850 using Realtek HDMI driver) but cannot remember what the result was when playing the M2TS or MKV file through that Vista x64 box. Will try again tomorrow and update this post. I *think* I only saw 2 channel PCM on the receiver but I also know I did not try VLC on the M2TS file on that box to see what VLC said wrt the audio stream.


So, with all of that, I have no idea what will play what and what will not -- this stuff may lead to some serious drinking...
The funny (or is it sad?) thing is I could have played the disk in the BD-30 and watched the entire movie in full, uncompressed LPCM sound in less time than I spent trying to figure this one out - but hey, where's the fun in all of that?
 
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