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I'm new to the forum although I have already been reading messages for a few weeks now. So I have an idea of what’s already been discussed here. I know ‘editing’ has already come up last week but I feel most of my specific questions haven’t yet. Sorry if I would be wrong.
I’ll just shortly introduce myself. I have a rather large VHS (and a small S-VHS)-collection – mostly self-recorded TV – which I have built up during the past twelve years. And I’m still going. That’s why I wanted to move to DVD-recording as soon as possible. The format-war stopped me from buying before, but now I got reassured that the DVD’s I record now should remain playable in the future. I hope that’s actually the case.
What really pushed me over the line was the new Panasonic DMR-HS2. I want my recordings to be good and clean (without commercials but also without announcements etc.), so recording on the HDD first, editing and then recording to DVD seemed perfect for me. Although I have two VCR’s, I didn’t want to record, edit and dub on VHS in the past because there was too much quality loss involved in dubbing from one VHS to another. So I tried to get everything right from the 1st time: having to be home at the time of recording, trying to cut out commercials during recording, …). This would all be over with the HS2.
So, I first read a lot of your mailings on the HS2 and decided to buy it.
I’ve now had it for more than a week (if I want to return it, I have to do it within the next 5 days) and I must say I am kind of dissapointed with the editing possibilities. I expected to be able to do the basic editing you could do with a basic editing VCR in the past (like audio dubbing) and actually I thought there would be more possibilities. And I was also dissapointed by the quality of the editing you could actually do. The fact that the picture freezes has been mentioned here already. And yes, you can change to ‘seamless play’ in the menu (to go into a still unanswered question) but IMO that’s even worse. The image doesn’t freeze anymore but you lose the sound for minimum a second and also the first and last picture frames of each segment. Which is not the case when you turn seamless play off. In that case you get the image from the exact frame from which you selected it in the play list.
So although turning ‘seamless play’ off is better IMO, I do not really find this satisfying because of the picture freezes. But that’s not all. Whatever you do, I have found you always lose the first fragment of the sound of whatever you record or edit.
Now, I realise these complaints might be something for nit-pickers, but given the whole discussion here on the ‘black level bug’ (which, thank god, isn’t relevant to me as I live in Belgium) I would think this kind of stuff would also bother a lot of people on the forum.
Anyway, I now come to my actual question to you people. I know what the editing functions are like on the HS2 but I know rather little of what they are on the other recorders. Given that the HS2 is sold as an ‘editing machine’ I would expect them to be even more limited. Is that right?
Another draw-back for me, but that’s personal, is that, because of the high amount of recordings I make, this means a strong increase of time and work for me, in comparison to recording on VHS. I have to go through the process twice now: first recording on HDD (be it more esailly), then editing, and then dubbing over to DVD-R, again in real-time. So, being able to edit afterwards on the DVD itself, would be much better for me. Of course on the DVD-R that’s not possible and DVD-RAMs are obviously much too expensive to start archiving on them. Also I’m afraid they will become even less compatible in the future.
So, if on other recorders I could edit on the disk (DVD+RW and DVD-RW are much cheaper) maybe that would be better for me and maybe I should just hand my HS2 back in. That’s why I’d like to know what the exact editing functions are on other players, compared to the HS2.
Sorry for this long message, but I thought I had to explain my specific situation for you to understand my problem with the HS2 and to be able to help me fin dan answer on this matter. I would really appreciate if you could help me out and share more thoughts with me on HS2’s editing. Thanks!
Dave
I'm new to the forum although I have already been reading messages for a few weeks now. So I have an idea of what’s already been discussed here. I know ‘editing’ has already come up last week but I feel most of my specific questions haven’t yet. Sorry if I would be wrong.
I’ll just shortly introduce myself. I have a rather large VHS (and a small S-VHS)-collection – mostly self-recorded TV – which I have built up during the past twelve years. And I’m still going. That’s why I wanted to move to DVD-recording as soon as possible. The format-war stopped me from buying before, but now I got reassured that the DVD’s I record now should remain playable in the future. I hope that’s actually the case.
What really pushed me over the line was the new Panasonic DMR-HS2. I want my recordings to be good and clean (without commercials but also without announcements etc.), so recording on the HDD first, editing and then recording to DVD seemed perfect for me. Although I have two VCR’s, I didn’t want to record, edit and dub on VHS in the past because there was too much quality loss involved in dubbing from one VHS to another. So I tried to get everything right from the 1st time: having to be home at the time of recording, trying to cut out commercials during recording, …). This would all be over with the HS2.
So, I first read a lot of your mailings on the HS2 and decided to buy it.
I’ve now had it for more than a week (if I want to return it, I have to do it within the next 5 days) and I must say I am kind of dissapointed with the editing possibilities. I expected to be able to do the basic editing you could do with a basic editing VCR in the past (like audio dubbing) and actually I thought there would be more possibilities. And I was also dissapointed by the quality of the editing you could actually do. The fact that the picture freezes has been mentioned here already. And yes, you can change to ‘seamless play’ in the menu (to go into a still unanswered question) but IMO that’s even worse. The image doesn’t freeze anymore but you lose the sound for minimum a second and also the first and last picture frames of each segment. Which is not the case when you turn seamless play off. In that case you get the image from the exact frame from which you selected it in the play list.
So although turning ‘seamless play’ off is better IMO, I do not really find this satisfying because of the picture freezes. But that’s not all. Whatever you do, I have found you always lose the first fragment of the sound of whatever you record or edit.
Now, I realise these complaints might be something for nit-pickers, but given the whole discussion here on the ‘black level bug’ (which, thank god, isn’t relevant to me as I live in Belgium) I would think this kind of stuff would also bother a lot of people on the forum.
Anyway, I now come to my actual question to you people. I know what the editing functions are like on the HS2 but I know rather little of what they are on the other recorders. Given that the HS2 is sold as an ‘editing machine’ I would expect them to be even more limited. Is that right?
Another draw-back for me, but that’s personal, is that, because of the high amount of recordings I make, this means a strong increase of time and work for me, in comparison to recording on VHS. I have to go through the process twice now: first recording on HDD (be it more esailly), then editing, and then dubbing over to DVD-R, again in real-time. So, being able to edit afterwards on the DVD itself, would be much better for me. Of course on the DVD-R that’s not possible and DVD-RAMs are obviously much too expensive to start archiving on them. Also I’m afraid they will become even less compatible in the future.
So, if on other recorders I could edit on the disk (DVD+RW and DVD-RW are much cheaper) maybe that would be better for me and maybe I should just hand my HS2 back in. That’s why I’d like to know what the exact editing functions are on other players, compared to the HS2.
Sorry for this long message, but I thought I had to explain my specific situation for you to understand my problem with the HS2 and to be able to help me fin dan answer on this matter. I would really appreciate if you could help me out and share more thoughts with me on HS2’s editing. Thanks!
Dave