Shorten segment. It removes the section you indicate, splicing the remaining 2 pieces back into one piece.
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EH55...edit out commericials
With the EH55, what's the best way to edit out commericials before transferring from HD to DVD?
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I prefer inserting chapter breaks before and after commercials, then deleting the commercial "chapters". For movies & TV shows, this creates chapters at natural points in the story, and in any case the chapters don't hurt anything because they polay seamlessly with no gaps.
Cheers,
Philip Brandes
Cheers,
Philip Brandes
That's the way I've been doing it Philip Brandes.
heavyharmonies I don't get what you mean (the procedure) by "shorten segments".
heavyharmonies I don't get what you mean (the procedure) by "shorten segments".
Hitting the Sub-menu option while in the navigator area that lists your titles, there will be an option to edit the title. One of those options should be to shorten the title. It allows you to mark the beginning and end of the section you want to eliminate, then it gives you the message to delete it.
I use playlists. After accidentally deleting content, I decided that playlists are safer. I also had a problem with my E85 where the hard disk got fragmented and all the titles disappeared. I had to reformat the disk to get the machine to work correctly again.
The main menu will have a playlist option. Select that option and then press enter on the "create playlist" box. This gives you three rows thumbnails. The top row contains all the titles on the hard drive. The middle shows all the chapters in the selected title. The bottom row shows the chapters in the playlist. Select the title(s) and/or chapter(s) for your playlist and then you can edit the playlist the same way that title editing is described by other messages in this thread. The safe thing is, you can edit playlists all you want and the original titles are completely untouched, so if you accidentally delete something you wanted to keep, relax, it's all still there in the original title(s). You can also change the order of chapters and include parts of multiple titles in any given playlist.
If you were recording a music program, you could arrange the songs as broadcast, in alphabetical order, in chronological order (as they were released), sorted by artist, or in any other order you would like, without messing with the actual "title" on disk at all, and not causing any fragmentation issues for the hard drive.
In newer models, Panasonic might have solved the disk fragmentation issue.
The main menu will have a playlist option. Select that option and then press enter on the "create playlist" box. This gives you three rows thumbnails. The top row contains all the titles on the hard drive. The middle shows all the chapters in the selected title. The bottom row shows the chapters in the playlist. Select the title(s) and/or chapter(s) for your playlist and then you can edit the playlist the same way that title editing is described by other messages in this thread. The safe thing is, you can edit playlists all you want and the original titles are completely untouched, so if you accidentally delete something you wanted to keep, relax, it's all still there in the original title(s). You can also change the order of chapters and include parts of multiple titles in any given playlist.
If you were recording a music program, you could arrange the songs as broadcast, in alphabetical order, in chronological order (as they were released), sorted by artist, or in any other order you would like, without messing with the actual "title" on disk at all, and not causing any fragmentation issues for the hard drive.
In newer models, Panasonic might have solved the disk fragmentation issue.
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After a couple weeks of experimenting trying playlists, creating chapters, etc.,
I've found editing the title much less confusing and extremely more convenient then playlists. Before beginning the edit, I copy the title to RAM disk to provide an escape clause (backup) in case I screw up the edit. Then edit, shorten title. Find the section to be deleted, enter to mark start, find the end, enter to mark end, move to next, enter, move to delete, enter. That section is deleted and the title plays on. Repeat for multiple sections that need to be deleted. I find it helpful to replay a few seconds before the deleted frames so I know what the finished product will look like.
I've also found some interesting "facts" that may be helpful to other EH55 owners:
DVD-R copy to HDD, high speed is not an option.
DVD-RW Not finalized, multiple titles, CANNOT copy to HDD.
DVD-RAM copy to HDD high speed is an option. Individual titles can be copied.
DVD-RW Finalized, single title, can copy to HDD but only in SP mode.
DVD-RW Finalized, multiple titles, can copy to HDD but only in SP mode, cannot make copylist.
I'm certainly interested if anyone finds variances or other helpful hints, etc.
Bob R.
| Originally Posted by Ace H With the EH55, what's the best way to edit out commericials before transferring from HD to DVD? |
I've found editing the title much less confusing and extremely more convenient then playlists. Before beginning the edit, I copy the title to RAM disk to provide an escape clause (backup) in case I screw up the edit. Then edit, shorten title. Find the section to be deleted, enter to mark start, find the end, enter to mark end, move to next, enter, move to delete, enter. That section is deleted and the title plays on. Repeat for multiple sections that need to be deleted. I find it helpful to replay a few seconds before the deleted frames so I know what the finished product will look like.
I've also found some interesting "facts" that may be helpful to other EH55 owners:
DVD-R copy to HDD, high speed is not an option.
DVD-RW Not finalized, multiple titles, CANNOT copy to HDD.
DVD-RAM copy to HDD high speed is an option. Individual titles can be copied.
DVD-RW Finalized, single title, can copy to HDD but only in SP mode.
DVD-RW Finalized, multiple titles, can copy to HDD but only in SP mode, cannot make copylist.
I'm certainly interested if anyone finds variances or other helpful hints, etc.
Bob R.
Lots of ways, but for me, deleting from the hdd is not one of them; too risky, you may weep if you delete the wrong segment, and 2), repeated deletes like this could lead to fragmenting (has anyone disproved this?)
I use playlists, which are merely pointers. I'm not familiar with finding playlist on the main menu; I've been hitting the FUNCTION key, then up-arrow to get OTHER OPTIONS, press ENTER, then down arrow about 3 times to get to PLAYLIST, press ENTER. About 6 button presses!
If you have set the chapter points on the Title from Direct Navigator, then when you build your playlist, no need to delete anything, simply select the chapters you want to keep into the playlist.
If you want to make changes, or if you want multiple choices for differing outputs, Playlists are the way to go.
I use playlists, which are merely pointers. I'm not familiar with finding playlist on the main menu; I've been hitting the FUNCTION key, then up-arrow to get OTHER OPTIONS, press ENTER, then down arrow about 3 times to get to PLAYLIST, press ENTER. About 6 button presses!
If you have set the chapter points on the Title from Direct Navigator, then when you build your playlist, no need to delete anything, simply select the chapters you want to keep into the playlist.
If you want to make changes, or if you want multiple choices for differing outputs, Playlists are the way to go.
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I have a Toshiba and my manual specifically warns against editing by deleting small segments saying that it could cause fragmentation problems. It suggests formatting the HDD regularly. If you look at the scan results that computer utilities provide before and during a defrag, you will see this fragmentation. When I do edit by deleting the commercials, instead of creating a playlist, I usually delete the entire show after copying it to a DVD
| Originally Posted by RichardT Lots of ways, but for me, deleting from the hdd is not one of them; too risky, you may weep if you delete the wrong segment, and 2), repeated deletes like this could lead to fragmenting (has anyone disproved this?). |
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I'm still learning Richard ... I thought previously you said you did your chapter editing in the playlist - maybe I misunderstood.
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I'm quite familiar with the PC fragmentation ... that technology is perhaps 20 or 30 years old, maybe more. I know there are a lot of new storage, indexing features and I hope the newer equipment starts to use better techniques. My EH55 manual describes SHORTEN TITLE and has a very good method for doing so ... no warnings that I can see.
Bob R.
| Originally Posted by RichardT If you have set the chapter points on the Title from Direct Navigator, then when you build your playlist, no need to delete anything, simply select the chapters you want to keep into the playlist. If you want to make changes, or if you want multiple choices for differing outputs, Playlists are the way to go. |
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| If you look at the scan results that computer utilities provide before and during a defrag, you will see this fragmentation. |
Bob R.
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No, you are right. He did say that he does his editing in playlists (as do I). Putting in chapter marks is not editing. You can put in chapter marks in the title, then create a playlist by only selecting the wanted chapters from the title. No deleting required. The reason this comes up is, you can chapterize a title while you are recording it, so when the program is done, a finished commercial-free playlist is only a minute or so away. Then it's a few minutes to dub and finalize, and you are done.
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My manual does not have warnings either, but I had fragmentation issues to the point the title screen would not show any of the content that I KNEW was on the hard drive. It is a bitter pill to swallow, especially when an occasional reformat will prevent the fragmentation problem. That Toshiba warns about the issue is to their credit, and that Panasonic does not is to their shame. On the Panasonic Japanese web site, it had, and maybe still has, a very prominent warning against frequent use of divide title and shorten segment operations. I saw and read it once, but since I have lost the link to that page.
| Originally Posted by bobr2k I'm still learning Richard ... I thought previously you said you did your chapter editing in the playlist - maybe I misunderstood. |
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| Originally Posted by bobr2k I'm quite familiar with the PC fragmentation ... that technology is perhaps 20 or 30 years old, maybe more. I know there are a lot of new storage, indexing features and I hope the newer equipment starts to use better techniques. My EH55 manual describes SHORTEN TITLE and has a very good method for doing so ... no warnings that I can see. Bob R. |
Sorry Bobr2k for confusion.
You can set chapter points on the hdd from Direct Navigator Play. You also can set chapter points, ie Create Chapter from the Playlist Edit Title (then hit Submenu). I use both, depending upon the task.
If I may want to generate multiple playlists for a Title, I don't want the chapters from the hhd cluttering up later playlists, so I Create the chapters in the Playlist.
If I expect to generate just one playlist, I may set them on the hdd. Then, when I build the playlist, the chapters are already defined and all I have to do is select the ones I want to put in the playlist. Saves having to to Delete unwanted chapters (I just didn't select them).
Lot of flexibility on that EH55!
Richard
You can set chapter points on the hdd from Direct Navigator Play. You also can set chapter points, ie Create Chapter from the Playlist Edit Title (then hit Submenu). I use both, depending upon the task.
If I may want to generate multiple playlists for a Title, I don't want the chapters from the hhd cluttering up later playlists, so I Create the chapters in the Playlist.
If I expect to generate just one playlist, I may set them on the hdd. Then, when I build the playlist, the chapters are already defined and all I have to do is select the ones I want to put in the playlist. Saves having to to Delete unwanted chapters (I just didn't select them).
Lot of flexibility on that EH55!
Richard
Excellent stuff guys ... got to add these comments to my "editing tips" file. THANKS A BUNCH.
Bob R.
Bob R.
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How do you KNOW that it was fragmentation issues, rather than simply being drive corruption? i.e. the filesystem directory being messed up?
| Originally Posted by Church AV Guy My manual does not have warnings either, but I had fragmentation issues to the point the title screen would not show any of the content that I KNEW was on the hard drive. |
I don't KNOW for sure in any way that you can know anything completely for sure. It happened during an editing session. It matters not a bit what you call it, the problem was generated by divide and shorten. Filesystem error, fragmentation error, whatever... it was the extensive editing of TITLES that caused it. A reformat completely cured it, but left me with a blank disk. I still do extensive editing, but with playlists, and the problem has never resurfaced since I quit using title editing and went exclusively to playlists. That's why I always recommend playlist editing in this forum.
The titles didn't show up on the "title view" screen. The disk appeared to be empty, but the free space was far from the disk size. Surprisingly, the titles DID show up in the dubbing select screen, so I was able to copy all my content to -RAM disks before formatting so I didn't lose my programs. I was unable to play any of them from the hard drive though, since they didn't show up in the main titles list. The copies to -RAM disks were fine, and when I restored them to the hard drive after reformatting, everything worked correctly.
The titles didn't show up on the "title view" screen. The disk appeared to be empty, but the free space was far from the disk size. Surprisingly, the titles DID show up in the dubbing select screen, so I was able to copy all my content to -RAM disks before formatting so I didn't lose my programs. I was unable to play any of them from the hard drive though, since they didn't show up in the main titles list. The copies to -RAM disks were fine, and when I restored them to the hard drive after reformatting, everything worked correctly.
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