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EyeTV Multi-user Software

The HDHomeRun for Mac bundle includes the award winning EyeTV software for two computers.

Interesting. One tuner, watch wherever? Not sure how well this works with EyeTV Archives.

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Users who already have an EyeTV tuner on their Mac will be able to use both the local and network tuners through the same EyeTV software.


Now you can watch free digital over-the-air or cable TV from all the Macs in your home or office.


The HDHomeRun for Mac is an unique centralized digital TV tuner that connects to your Ethernet network, and can be shared by any Mac using the included EyeTV software. Thanks to its dual tuners, two users can be watching or recording different programs at the same time.


Because the HDHomeRun is a network device, you don't need to have an antenna or cable TV outlet near your computer. You just locate the HDHomeRun tuner wherever you have a convenient antenna or cable outlet and connect it to your network.

Still need a better editor(VideoRedoPlus for Mac) and real support for .ts in EyeTV or Frontrow, but this is major news.
 

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That's a very tempting device. Thanks for the link. Maybe even more tempting than the TiVo HD thingy.
 

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I can't tell from the website, but is this going to be a free update for current EyeTV users? That is.... must we buy a HDHomeRun from Elgato to get the software? Elgato is selling the tuner at a premium since it comes bundled with the software.
 

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This is very tempting, although I'm happy with my Series 3 TiVo. I'll be curious to see how it handles recording two things at the same time. I never watch live TV (well, almost never), so recording two things is much more important than recording one and watching one.
 

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My assumption is that yes this is another version of the software, but probably included in EyeTV 3 whenever that hits the market. The FAQ has me smiling wide over multiple tuners. Yeah, multiples of multituner boxes.




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Can I use a wireless network with HDHomeRun?


HDHomeRun typically receives video streams between 19 and 38 Mbps. This means 100BaseT Ethernet (100Mbps) is the ideal network setup. 802.11 wireless probably won't offer enough bandwidth - even the new 802.11n architecture may not perform as well as 100BaseT.


If you try to use HDHomeRun with a network not up to the task, then the video may not appear at all. If your network is filled with lots of other traffic, then that can also affect the performance of HDHomeRun.

HDHomeRun needs a DHCP server to function


HDHomeRun is a network device that needs to be automatically assigned an network address (IP address) via a DHCP server. It is not able to automatically configure itself via Bonjour, nor can it be directly connected to your Mac via an Ethernet cable. Neither patch nor crossover Ethernet cables will work, since your Mac is not normally a DHCP server.


Please connect HDHomeRun to a router that has a DHCP server, so it can be assigned an IP address. Or, connected it to a network that has a DHCP server somewhere on it.

How do I connect a video source to HDHomeRun?


HDHomeRun has two tuners, each of which can receive both antenna (ATSC) or cable (ClearQAM). Each tuner can receive only one type of video at a time. That means you can have each tuner set to cable, each tuner set to antenna, or one set to antenna and one to cable. You can also set one or both tuners to not used, meaning that it will capture no video.


Each tuner is labeled. The one on the left is #1, and the one on the right is #0. When you open a Live TV window from a tuner, its number will be listed at the beginning of the title bar - for example, tuner #1 will be listed as Eyetv/1.


How do I setup more than one HDHomeRun on my network?


HDHomeRun has two tuners, each of which can receive both antenna (ATSC) or cable (ClearQAM). Each tuner can receive only one type of video at a time. That means you can have each tuner set to cable, each tuner set to antenna, or one set to antenna and one to cable. You can also set one or both tuners to not used, meaning that it will capture no video.


Each HDHomeRun unit has an unique number, that is printed on the bottom of it, and that is used by EyeTV to identify it on the network. If you have more than one HDHomeRun attached to your network, then each one will be identified by its unique number, in the EyeTV Setup Assistant.


How do I setup more than one HDHomeRun on my network?


HDHomeRun has two tuners, each of which can receive both antenna (ATSC) or cable (ClearQAM). Each tuner can receive only one type of video at a time. That means you can have each tuner set to cable, each tuner set to antenna, or one set to antenna and one to cable. You can also set one or both tuners to not used, meaning that it will capture no video.


Each HDHomeRun unit has an unique number, that is printed on the bottom of it, and that is used by EyeTV to identify it on the network. If you have more than one HDHomeRun attached to your network, then each one will be identified by its unique number, in the EyeTV Setup Assistant.


What new settings are there in EyeTV for HDHomeRun?


HDHomeRun has a few features new to EyeTV, so some extra settings have been added to the EyeTV Preferences.


General Preferences has an option that can be used with HDHomeRun: Always open TV in new window. With this turned on, each tuner will display live TV in a separate window. This option is recommended for HDHomeRun users who intend on using both tuners at the same time.


Devices Preferences has a option to view the Signal. This will display separate Signal Strength and Signal Quality for each tuner, via animated bar graphs.

Can you use one HomeRun with more than one Mac on the same network?


Since HDHomeRun is a network device with two tuners, you can use each tuner with any Mac on your local network (subnet) that has EyeTV software installed. You can use both tuners with one Mac, or one tuner with one Mac, and the other tuner with another Mac.


If all tuners are in use, and another Mac tries to grab one, then an error message will appear, indicating which Mac is using that tuner. Once that tuner window is closed on one Mac, then it can be grabbed by another Mac.

What do the lights on the HDHomeRun unit mean?


HDHomeRun has 5 lights on the front of the unit.


The light on the far left is a power indicator - if it is on, then the unit is receiving power.


In the center there is a black section, with 4 lights in a row.


The first light indicates an Ethernet Link.


The second light indicates if Tuner 0 is streaming.


The third light indicates if Tuner 1 is streaming.


The fourth light is not in use when HDHomeRun is connected to EyeTV.

Can HDHomeRun use a remote control?


When used with EyeTV, HDHomeRun cannot receive infrared (IR) signals from a remote control.


If your Mac has an IR receiver, and came with an Apple Remote, then you can use that remote to control the EyeTV software.

What sort of network will work best with HDHomeRun?


HDHomeRun typically receives video streams between 19 and 38 Mbps. This means 100BaseT Ethernet (100Mbps) is the ideal network setup. 802.11 wireless probably won't offer enough bandwidth - even the new 802.11n architecture may not perform as well as 100BaseT.


If you try to use HDHomeRun with a network not up to the task, then the video may not appear at all. If your network is filled with lots of other traffic, then that can also affect the performance of HDHomeRun.

How to do I view multiple Live TV windows when using HDHomeRun?


General Preferences has an option that can be used with HDHomeRun: Always open TV in new window. With this turned on, each tuner will display live TV in a separate window. This option is recommended for HDHomeRun users who intend on using both tuners at the same time.


Each Live TV window will have a title, that starts with the name of the tuner: EyeTV/0 or EyeTV/1.


Many channels may be shared by the same frequency. You can check this via the Channels section of the EyeTV Programs window, which lists frequencies along with other channel information.


If you want to open up all channels shared by the same frequency (multiplex), then go to the File menu, hold down the Control key on the keyboard, and then Open Live TV Window changes to Open Live TV on Multiplex. Use that command once for each additional window you want to open up.

Can I use HDHomeRun on a mixed PC/Mac/Linux network?


Versions of the HDHomeRun hardware are also available for use with Windows or Linux. If you own one of those versions, then it can exist on the same network as the HDHomeRun from Elgato.


EyeTV software can access and control any HDHomeRun hardware on your network. Any tuner input can be used with any software client, so one could be used by EyeTV, and another by a HDHomeRun compatible Windows or Linux client.


Can HDHomeRun receive analog signals?


HDHomeRun can only receive digital signals. It cannot receive analog antenna, analog cable, composite or S-Video.


It can only receive digital antenna (ATSC) or unencrypted digital cable (ClearQAM). These are standards only available in North America, so the HDHomeRun is only for that region.


If you need to receive analog signals, then consider another EyeTV unit, like EyeTV Hybrid or EyeTV 250.

What should I do if the HDHomeRun is not connected to EyeTV?


If the HDHomeRun loses the connection to one or more Macs on your network, then please try the following steps:


1) Check all network connections. Make sure the cables are still connected, and that the DHCP server on your network is still active.


2) Make sure that your HDHomeRun unit is selected in the EyeTV Setup Assistant, from the Help Menu.


3) Make sure that one or both tuners are available for use, by checking other EyeTV clients on your network. If both tuners are in use, then HDHomeRun can't be used by another Mac.


4) Unplug and replug the power to the HDHomeRun. It will take about 30 seconds to reboot.
 

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Originally Posted by Andrew67 /forum/post/0


I can't tell from the website, but is this going to be a free update for current EyeTV users? That is.... must we buy a HDHomeRun from Elgato to get the software? Elgato is selling the tuner at a premium since it comes bundled with the software.

The website says that current owners can buy just the HDHomeRun and then contact their support site for a link to the updated software.

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This is very tempting, although I'm happy with my Series 3 TiVo. I'll be curious to see how it handles recording two things at the same time. I never watch live TV (well, almost never), so recording two things is much more important than recording one and watching one.

This is certainly a step in the right direction, however, it's still lacking some things that I want/need. Cable Card support and NTSC tuner (not all of our cable channels are A/D simulcast).


This is (on paper) a much better option than the Miglia TVmini HD+ ... even without NTSC.


I will still probably sit this one out as our Sony DVR is still working fine. I'll probably jump in if/when CableCard support is available.
 

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Still need a better editor(VideoRedoPlus for Mac) and real support for .ts in EyeTV or Frontrow, but this is major news.

I agree with that statement. Interestingly, according to MacWorld's report the new tuner is made by SiliconeDust. That's not a company I ever heard of. I wonder what the build quality will be. This is not a repackaged EyeTV 500. Will it turn out to be as good as a 500???


500s are getting few-and-far-between these days on eBay. I hope HDHomerun turns out to be at least as successful as EyeTV 500 was.
 

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That's not a company I ever heard of. I wonder what the build quality will be.

The HDHomeRun for Linux and Windows has been out for quite sometime now....the unit runs a little warm, but otherwise is built like a tank.
 

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I agree with that statement. Interestingly, according to MacWorld's report the new tuner is made by SiliconeDust. That's not a company I ever heard of. I wonder what the build quality will be. This is not a repackaged EyeTV 500. Will it turn out to be as good as a 500???

THe HDHomeRun has been available for sale since late last year, I bought mine in November, 2006. The company has been excellent in providing firmware updates and getting the hardware to work with a wide range of software packages--I use mine with a Linux based MythTV. I also own an EyeTV 500. I would say they are of comparable build quality, although the HDHomeRun runs noticeably warm while the 500 does not.


On a feature basis the HDHomerun is a superior product: you can share it amongst computers, and with computers of different operating systems, it can be located closer to a rooftop antenna or in some closet, and it has 2 tuners. Despite the warnings, I can watch TV wirelessly over my home's 802.11g network. The 500 doesn't need a power brick or a wired ethernet network to work reliably, and is thus a superior portable solution. As for which is the better receiver of OTA HDTV, I don't know.
 

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Just send an e-mail. I think you will be happy with the results. Hint. Hint.

I'll wait. I have an EyeTV 500 but not a HD Homerun. I was just concerned that the homerun features would be in a different product. Elgato only offers free upgrades with software in the same version, right? If I own version 2 then I get all 2.x upgrades for free, but if the HD Homerun features are in version 3 then I'd have to buy a new copy. I'm not going to quibble with their $30 HDHomeRun premium. I'm more concerned with the reliability of tuning and recording over the network.


Has anyone contacted Elgato to inquire as to when this thing (hardware & software) starts shipping? It seems to be in sort of a late, beta stage from what I've read.
 

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I believe it says to contact [email protected] which doesn't sound very promising.

Andrew67,


That e-mail link is if you want extra licenses, above the included 2.


Here's a quote from the website:

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Users who already have an EyeTV tuner on their Mac will be able to use both the local and network tuners through the same EyeTV software

Then over at the HDHomeRun forum, the rep posted this:

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Mike from Elgato here.


Just wanted everyone to know that EyeTV 2 now supports the HDHomeRun. We sell a bundle with the HDHomeRun and the software, or if you already have the hardware, you can just buy a copy of EyeTV 2. (The shipping version doesn't have the support yet, but once you buy it, just drop a note to support and they'll give you a link to the new version.)


Here's the info:

http://www.elgato.com/index.php?file=products_hdhomerun

So it looks like that it will be a free upgrade, if you already own the EyeTV software. 9thTee sells the HDHomeRun for $170, so the $30 premium from ElGato would go to pay for the EyeTV software. Sounds like a pretty good deal.


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This is certainly a step in the right direction, however, it's still lacking some things that I want/need. Cable Card support and NTSC tuner (not all of our cable channels are A/D simulcast).

The universe will grow cold and die before you'll ever see CableCard support for a product like this. CableLabs demands that the entire system, from input to storage to output, be certified and comply with a large number of DRM requirements. That's why you can't buy an aftermarket OCUR device for any platform and why devices like this can't have CableCards. Maybe when the stick in the cable cartel's butt get's the stick out of it's butt you'll have a chance, but my bet is on a cold, dead universe first.
 

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This is certainly a step in the right direction, however, it's still lacking some things that I want/need. Cable Card support and NTSC tuner (not all of our cable channels are A/D simulcast).

To follow up on pkscout's reply, NTSC support will be a moot point on Feb 17, 2009. I'm not sure it's worth building products that support it any longer.
 

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To follow up on pkscout's reply, NTSC support will be a moot point on Feb 17, 2009. I'm not sure it's worth building products that support it any longer.

Isn't analog cable still in NTSC? That date is the deadline for OTA analog only, not cable. So an NTSC tuner could be useful for years and years to come given the rate at which the cable companies change.
 

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Isn't analog cable still in NTSC? That date is the deadline for OTA analog only, not cable. So an NTSC tuner could be useful for years and years to come given the rate at which the cable companies change.

True, but with more and more channels moving to digital tiers, NTSC is becoming less valuable with cable as well. I imagine things will move forward with cable as OTA channels phase out their analog broadcasts over the next year.
 

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Plus, analog channels take more bandwidth than digital channels. Converting to all digital will allow them to add more channels and charge more for it. Also, switching to all digital means that anyone with an analog tv will have to get a cable box, another revenue stream.


It's in their interests to switch to digital.
 

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I bought an HDHomeRun several months ago and have had some crude success recording shows with it with the "in development" HDHRControl-1-6 software.


I also own two EyeTV 500s and sent an email to Elgato today asking if I can get access to the new EyeTV software that can work with the HDHomeRun.


-Sean
 
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