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Now, I know they upgraded the scaler inside the Elite so that it can do everything to 1080p via HDMI. What I don't know is how this happens; 1) are the games rendered in 1080p, or 2) is it just simple scaling, like 720p -> 1080p scaling inside your TV, albeit nicer scaler?


Could you not make the case that a cheap future AVR 2 years down the line can make easy work of a regular Xbox 360 with component and scale it to 1080p as well, outputting to HDMI?


Or is the Xbox actually rendering at a much higher resolution, and thus the AVR scaling is actually a downgrade in quality?
 

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Now, I know they upgraded the scaler inside the Elite so that it can do everything to 1080p via HDMI. What I don't know is how this happens; 1) are the games rendered in 1080p, or 2) is it just simple scaling, like 720p -> 1080p scaling inside your TV, albeit nicer scaler?


Could you not make the case that a cheap future AVR 2 years down the line can make easy work of a regular Xbox 360 with component and scale it to 1080p as well, outputting to HDMI?


Or is the Xbox actually rendering at a much higher resolution, and thus the AVR scaling is actually a downgrade in quality?

It is scaling. The game renders in whatever resolution it wants, and the scaler in the 360 will scale it (and interlace, if needed) to the resolution you selected in the console settings.


An external scaler will work, but the main problem is that if you do this for HD-DVD movies, you /will/ lose some quality from the conversion. (Scaling to 720p, and then having an external scaler scale back up to 1080p)
 

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The Elite only changed the way 360 sends the data to the display, not the way it renders. All XBOXes can render games at 1080 if the game is designed to (optionally) render at 1080. If the game renders at 720, then the ANA (or HANA) chip will scale the output to the user-selected output resolution.

For video apps, the 360 will upscale DVDs only via VGA and HDMI (on the Elite) but it will scale HD-DVDs and video files through *all* ports.

In other words, the Elite is just another 360, just one with an HDMI port.

Now, when it comes to external scalers the value would depend on what you're watching and what your display is. On a native 720 display a scaler will buy you nothing for games; on a 1080 display, it might buy you something or it might conceivably hurt antialiased games by *introducing* jaggies during the scaling process.

You likely would get the most benefit, if any, on non-video apps.

In other words, for gaming you're probably better off letting the 360 call the shots.

But, as always, your mileage may vary.

You might prefer to post-process 360 graphics, especially if you've already bought a scaler. ;-)
 

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Anna (Xbox Core) is an analog scaler.


Hanna (Xbox Elite) is a digital scaler.


They both do the same thing just in a different format. With HDMI Microsoft is allowed to upscale DVDs outside of just VGA and provide HDCP handshake to TV's that need it.


That sums it up.
 
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