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Hi Guys... newbie questions here so bear with me.


As the title says how would an Emotiva UMC-200 with a UPA-500 amp sound vs. my old Sony STR-DH800??? I'm more than sure it would sound WAY better but some honest opinions would be nice. I currently have a Klipsch RB-62 II Speaker system with a Klipsch RW-10 Sub.


Here's another question... My current Sony receiver says it's 100 watts the Emotiva Amp is 80 W. Am I losing too much there or am I worrying about nothing? I'm sure there is something misleading about these numbers from Sony. I don't have a large room if you are wondering.


Just curious what you guys have to say... THANKS!


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Yes, it will be a huge improvement over your Sony. The Emotiva amp will leave the Sony in the dust as the Emotiva is rated at 80 wpc ALL CHANNELS DRIVEN. Thats a big difference between the way Sony rates its output into two Channels at 100w + 100w. Typical AVR marketing BS. I am not even sure what this means - Does this mean 100 watts into 2 channels SIMULTANEOUSLY or does this mean 100 watts into any one channel only when in 2 channel mode? I tend to think the latter.


Either way the Emotiva will give an honest 80 wpc into 5 channels SIMULTANEOUSLY. So your not losing by ditching the Sony - your actually gaining a lot of real amp power.
 
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I would get a Harman-Kardon AVR3650 receiver and be done with it. $700.


That will have plenty of power and sound so much better than your Sony that it will literally be music to your ears.


The Harman-Kardon 3650 receiver is a superior design with a robust power supply that can maintain the drive current needed to drive 5 (or 7) speakers without significant distortion.


By comparison, your Sony is a badly underpowered wimp with an inadequate power supply and inflated ratings.
 

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Thanks Paraneer! I had a feeling there was some marketing goofiness going on with the Sony 100 watts. I'm verrryy excited about the Emotiva... Just have to save my pennies now! I hate bad mouthing my Sony amp for the amount I paid, it's done everything I could ask of it. It's just now with the better Klipsch speakers I know I could get so much more out of them. I was looking Marantz but they are verrryy pricey. Thanks again!
 

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You're welcome Hawkboy. Glad I could assist and enjoy the Emotiva separates when you get them. They make very good perforrming equipment for the money.
 
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Originally Posted by Hawkboy  /t/1462533/emotiva-umc-200-with-a-upa-500-vs-my-old-sony-str-dh800#post_23062518


Hi Guys... newbie questions here so bear with me.


As the title says how would an Emotiva UMC-200 with a UPA-500 amp sound vs. my old Sony STR-DH800??? I'm more than sure it would sound WAY better but some honest opinions would be nice. I currently have a Klipsch RB-62 II Speaker system with a Klipsch RW-10 Sub.


Here's another question... My current Sony receiver says it's 100 watts the Emotiva Amp is 80 W. Am I losing too much there or am I worrying about nothing? I'm sure there is something misleading about these numbers from Sony. I don't have a large room if you are wondering.


Just curious what you guys have to say... THANKS!


-Gregg

big upgrade.. i just got my 1st amp an xpa 3 from emotiva.. using the pre outs on my denon wow what an improvement in the sound quality...


all i can say is do but consider the xpa 5 for the extra power in the future for a bit more money... why go 80 when 200 will cover many more speakers in the market these days..


cheers..
 

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While that would be awesome (the XPA-5) it's just way out of my price range and probably overkill for my needs. But I like the IDEA of it!
 

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I have had the upa-500 and it is a killer amp for the money. I would say that the Emotiva combo would best anything in its price range for SQ IF it has all the features you need or want.
 

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Originally Posted by Hawkboy  /t/1462533/emotiva-umc-200-with-a-upa-500-vs-my-old-sony-str-dh800#post_23067517


While that would be awesome (the XPA-5) it's just way out of my price range and probably overkill for my needs. But I like the IDEA of it!

only about 400 more ...


just remember from what i hear this amp can last 20 yrs eh..




i love my xpa 3 amp what a difference in SQ noticed it right away..


im thinking about buying the new mono blocks the xpa 1 L and that A class power sonic nirvana...


for the stereo play..


so much more to buy its and expensive hobby this audio addiction LOL

 

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Originally Posted by Hawkboy  /t/1462533/emotiva-umc-200-with-a-upa-500-vs-my-old-sony-str-dh800#post_23067517


While that would be awesome (the XPA-5) it's just way out of my price range and probably overkill for my needs. But I like the IDEA of it!

I was in the same position a couple of months ago. I went with the UPA-500 and was not disappointed. There is plenty of power for most environments. My room is 18x25 with 10' ceilings and open to both the kitchen and the foyer. The UPA plays loud enough without distorting to either drive you out of the house, or damage your ears.


As far as the UMC-200, you might get more features for your dollar by using a receiver with pre-outs as your processor. In my case, I needed two HDMI outputs.


OneCall has Yamaha Adventage (RX-A800) factory refurbs with a 2 year warranty at a good price. I went with the Yamaha rather than the UMC because of the features (HDMI outputs, cinema dsp modes, etc). Accessories4Less also has good deals.
 

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Good to Know Crussader! As far as i can tell right now the UMC-200 is all I really need because between my Oppo, X-Box, and HTPC all my networking needs are taken care of and I don't have any legacy video nor do I ever use DSP modes. So more and more thanks to you guys the UMC-200 is hitting the price point/performance sweet spot for me. I have been considering breaking the bank and getting a Marantz AVR like the SR5007, SR6007, or even saving up longer for the SR7007. But sadly, money is a factor so the Emotiva has just shot out as the lead horse in my quest for better audio!

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only about 400 more ...


just remember from what i hear this amp can last 20 yrs eh..


Ohhh Deltadube I wish I could say "ONLY About 400 more..."
 

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Originally Posted by Hawkboy  /t/1462533/emotiva-umc-200-with-a-upa-500-vs-my-old-sony-str-dh800#post_23069368


Good to Know Crussader! As far as i can tell right now the UMC-200 is all I really need because between my Oppo, X-Box, and HTPC all my networking needs are taken care of and I don't have any legacy video nor do I ever use DSP modes. So more and more thanks to you guys the UMC-200 is hitting the price point/performance sweet spot for me. I have been considering breaking the bank and getting a Marantz AVR like the SR5007, SR6007, or even saving up longer for the SR7007. But sadly, money is a factor so the Emotiva has just shot out as the lead horse in my quest for better audio!

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Originally Posted by deltadube  /t/1462533/emotiva-umc-200-with-a-upa-500-vs-my-old-sony-str-dh800#post_23068946


only about 400 more ...


just remember from what i hear this amp can last 20 yrs eh..


Ohhh Deltadube I wish I could say "ONLY About 400 more..."

the sr 7007 thats like 1999 in Canada.. 125 wpc.. the 80 amps beat it i bet!... i would save up for the the new pre amp coming down the pipe at emotiva 1499... and the xpa 5 899 but get them at the

4th of july sale!

200 wpc is awesome...


cheers
 

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I replaced a Marantz SR5006 with an Emo UMC-200/XPA-5 combo. Very impressed with it. The UMC doesn't have any video processing, but I'd use the Oppo for that anyways. The UPA-500 should work well for you since your speakers are pretty damn sensitive. If you want a more powerful amp, look into a used UPA-5. The warranties are transferable. Either way, it'll be a huge upgrade from that Sony.


The new XMC-1 has been "coming soon" for about 4 years now. Even if it is released soon, it'll take an eon to get one. Emo has to fill those who signed up for the wait list first, and that list is LONG.


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Check the used section on Emotiva's site. There's a few amps at good prices now, and they come up quite often.
 
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I believe, the XMC-1 is no longer a real item but just a placeholder for something new to come.

After this long waiting period the original specs / design for the XMC-1 is already outdated and it wouldn't make any sense to keep this "zombie" alive as stated.
 

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I replaced a Marantz SR5006 with an Emo UMC-200/XPA-5 combo. Very impressed with it. The UMC doesn't have any video processing, but I'd use the Oppo for that anyways. The UPA-500 should work well for you since your speakers are pretty damn sensitive.


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Check the used section on Emotiva's site. There's a few amps at good prices now, and they come up quite often.

Thanks for the tip about the used section at Emotiva's website gostillerz!!! I will check it out... maybe I can find me a Cherry Klipsch RC-62 II center channel while I'm at it! Those things are hard to find now... the black RC-62 II's are all over the place however.
 

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The HK or the Emotiva are the only choices I see so far in this thread. Both would be great for sound quality but the Emo has an edge for power. Don't waste your time on the mediocre unless run of the mill sound is no issue.
 

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Don't waste your time on the mediocre unless run of the mill sound is no issue.

What would be mediocre in your opinion? Also what is "run of the mill sound"?


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Hey guys here is a link that discusses what we are talking about... enjoy! (I hope we can post links... if not I apologize.)

The author uses an Emotiva UMC-200 with a UPA-500!
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57573961-47/do-separate-components-sound-better-than-av-receivers-part-2/

I have seen that "comparison" before. To me it is seriously flawed as the reviewer is using a $399 AVR and comparing it to the $1100 Emotiva separates. Not what I would call a level playing field
. I'm not sure why a $1100 AVR wasn't used to make it an actual "comparison"
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I think the main point he was making was about power ratings - that the Denon is rated higher at 90 wpc yet it was still smoked by the Emotiva at 80 wpc. Because of the Emotivas high current design and ability to distribute power to all frequencies and likely impedence loads for sustained periods of time without wimping out.


But you're right - he should have used an even more expensive AVR at the same price or even higher price than the Emotiva separates and the AVR would still get smoked in actual power output. This would have been even more dramatic. Either way, it illustrates the authors point. The OP is looking at a very nice package indeed.
 
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