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Haven't created enough threads yet, have you?
There is already a thread for this.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=777549
There is already a thread for this.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=777549
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Well this news isn't that suprising. Blu-ray does have BD+ but it isn't used yet and the ROM Mark was only to prevent mass piracy from stamped discs. If Muslix has really broken AACS protection on Blu-ray, which is possible, will the hdnowonline website continue to accuse him of working for the BDA? Or am I being to logical about those who would make such a paranoid theory?
Just curious but why would you want that?
Just curious but why would you want that?
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If BD+ is anything like Directv or Sky in the UK; that will be great. These are the only two things I know that have not being cracked yet.
Of course satellite TV is different ........
Of course satellite TV is different ........
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people like this should really be banned from this forum. this is no place to be cheering on BS like this.
sad sad behavior.
people like this should really be banned from this forum. this is no place to be cheering on BS like this.
sad sad behavior.
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Why should he be banned? Did you look at the threads when HD DVD was cracked. Blu-ray supporters were positively thrilled and a number said in no uncertain terms that this was the end of HD DVD. You want to ban all of them too? The fact is that ANYONE who is wishing for hackers to succeed or is happy when a format is hacked, either format, is seriously misguided. Either format getting hacked reflects badly on BOTH formats. The format war has clouded the judgement of many individuals.
Why should he be banned? Did you look at the threads when HD DVD was cracked. Blu-ray supporters were positively thrilled and a number said in no uncertain terms that this was the end of HD DVD. You want to ban all of them too? The fact is that ANYONE who is wishing for hackers to succeed or is happy when a format is hacked, either format, is seriously misguided. Either format getting hacked reflects badly on BOTH formats. The format war has clouded the judgement of many individuals.
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I ask this question with the utmost interest in gaining knowledge.
How do you know that BD+ would be broken "just as easily."?
I ask this question with the utmost interest in gaining knowledge.
How do you know that BD+ would be broken "just as easily."?
I will put my few words in edgewise here since I started this whole fiasco.
First, I only said that fair use would be governing in my decision to be "not sad" when both formats are hacked, even BD+. I can't stand the fact that our government is telling us what we can and can't do with our media.
It's like we are here paying taxes but the gov't works for the big companies taking rights out of our hand and handing them to sh*theads of MPAA. We are only renting this country from the gov't they proved that right with eminent domain.
So, I really don't care where the infringement on my constitutional rights is coming from, I just want to be able to copy the HD formats cause they are so easily scratchable.
Sony has put bad products out for years, and now they want ANOTHER proprietary format, well, I hope they lose MISRABLY.
So, I was happy to hear they got cracked as well and, it evens the playing field. And it just happened to be a company that I despise.
Truth be told, AACS has keys, they can be revoked. Plain and simple. There was no reason for BD+. It would be hacked in very short order from AACS. Sony just didn't want to play ball and potentially hurt J6P because he just bought a HDTV and can't or won't buy a player because HDTV is hard to learn already.
Sony should have put their money with the DVD forum, because they didn't I hope turmoil for the company.
This would probably be the first time I am on side with MicroSh*t. Bill Gates has more money than god to throw at this format (for now) and he probably will make sure Sony has a good run for the money and puts Sony well behind many other manufacturers (like Emerson) with their quality because they can't afford quality parts. Then I hope that Sony will disappear into the night. Well, I am being redunant...
I will put my few words in edgewise here since I started this whole fiasco.
First, I only said that fair use would be governing in my decision to be "not sad" when both formats are hacked, even BD+. I can't stand the fact that our government is telling us what we can and can't do with our media.
It's like we are here paying taxes but the gov't works for the big companies taking rights out of our hand and handing them to sh*theads of MPAA. We are only renting this country from the gov't they proved that right with eminent domain.
So, I really don't care where the infringement on my constitutional rights is coming from, I just want to be able to copy the HD formats cause they are so easily scratchable.
Sony has put bad products out for years, and now they want ANOTHER proprietary format, well, I hope they lose MISRABLY.
So, I was happy to hear they got cracked as well and, it evens the playing field. And it just happened to be a company that I despise.
Truth be told, AACS has keys, they can be revoked. Plain and simple. There was no reason for BD+. It would be hacked in very short order from AACS. Sony just didn't want to play ball and potentially hurt J6P because he just bought a HDTV and can't or won't buy a player because HDTV is hard to learn already.
Sony should have put their money with the DVD forum, because they didn't I hope turmoil for the company.
This would probably be the first time I am on side with MicroSh*t. Bill Gates has more money than god to throw at this format (for now) and he probably will make sure Sony has a good run for the money and puts Sony well behind many other manufacturers (like Emerson) with their quality because they can't afford quality parts. Then I hope that Sony will disappear into the night. Well, I am being redunant...
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Though I don't agree with that I do know that a lot of people believe in it. Understand though that a lot of people go far beyond fair use when a copy protection system is broken. Also technically AACS isn't permanently broken it is only temporarily broken.
Honestly I don't get that since from what I can see Sony managed to get most of the studios and CE companies behind there format. Personally I like what I have seen on Blu-ray and I don't see why so many posters seem to despise it.
What do you think VHS, CD, and DVD are? What do you think the games consoles are? What do you think iPod and Zune are? Most of the standards we have are proprietary formats that became standard because of the amount of support they received.
Amir, are you talking about the Muslix hack that has been done? If so could you explain in detail how BD+ could have compromised AACS any further than it already is? I know you dislike BD+ but the statement you made doesn't look very logical.
nataraj, that is an opinion I have often heard by you but do you have any evidence at all that is going to happen? If not why than do you keep stating it as a fact?
Though I don't agree with that I do know that a lot of people believe in it. Understand though that a lot of people go far beyond fair use when a copy protection system is broken. Also technically AACS isn't permanently broken it is only temporarily broken.
Honestly I don't get that since from what I can see Sony managed to get most of the studios and CE companies behind there format. Personally I like what I have seen on Blu-ray and I don't see why so many posters seem to despise it.
What do you think VHS, CD, and DVD are? What do you think the games consoles are? What do you think iPod and Zune are? Most of the standards we have are proprietary formats that became standard because of the amount of support they received.
Amir, are you talking about the Muslix hack that has been done? If so could you explain in detail how BD+ could have compromised AACS any further than it already is? I know you dislike BD+ but the statement you made doesn't look very logical.
nataraj, that is an opinion I have often heard by you but do you have any evidence at all that is going to happen? If not why than do you keep stating it as a fact?
Ok, SONY and their LOSING proprietary formats.
Always happens, always (probably) will! They shoulda learned with Beta and UMD.
I guess i will say also that Sony makes it hard to create formats for other studios, and the studios go the cheaper way and get more money. Like Porn and Universal.
Always happens, always (probably) will! They shoulda learned with Beta and UMD.
I guess i will say also that Sony makes it hard to create formats for other studios, and the studios go the cheaper way and get more money. Like Porn and Universal.
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how is blu-ray any more proprietary than hd-dvd? in fact, i would say its less proprietary with far more CE support, publisher support, and writable support...
go look at the patent list for blu-ray. blu-ray does not belong to sony.
go look at the patent list for blu-ray. blu-ray does not belong to sony.
The foundation of any software content security system is to use technology which makes it very difficult for hackers to look at memory and find key data, or debug the application. To the extent that it is alleged that keys were simply in plain view, would mean that BD+ code would likewise be sitting bare, making it trivial to hack into BD+ engine, and take out the decrypted bits.
Put another way, it is unreasonable to assume that the BD+ layer would enjoy higher level of protection than the AACS layer in a software system. So if one can break AACS layer, one can also break BD+. After all, if a better technique is known to protect BD+, why not also use it on AACS?
In the interest of not teaching people more than they need to know, I am not going to expand beyond this
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The foundation of any software content security system is to use technology which makes it very difficult for hackers to look at memory and find key data, or debug the application. To the extent that it is alleged that keys were simply in plain view, would mean that BD+ code would likewise be sitting bare, making it trivial to hack into BD+ engine, and take out the decrypted bits.
Put another way, it is unreasonable to assume that the BD+ layer would enjoy higher level of protection than the AACS layer in a software system. So if one can break AACS layer, one can also break BD+. After all, if a better technique is known to protect BD+, why not also use it on AACS?
In the interest of not teaching people more than they need to know, I am not going to expand beyond this
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