[CINERAMAX]

Some may be able to dig how I predicted that there would be as new lower end DCI projector from Barco, what I was speculative in suggesting is that it should be named the DP-1200, based on the 2kw lamp limitation, which Barco ended up naming "to the tee".


While Cristie had demonstrated a triple frame 3D capable 1.2 DMD projector last SHOWEAST (whilst Barco's DP-3000 was not TRIPLE Frame self contained 3D capable at the time)this development afforded Christie the timing to announce that they were 4K ready (Enhanced 2K). Hence their announcement of the 2k/4K models (which is nothing technologically taxing since a 1.2" 2k dmd has similar optics requirements of a 4L 1.2 DMD.


But who wants a Christie in their home? Certainly continued shootouts consistently place Barco first for sharpness and depth (MTF), Christie second for a competent run of the mill image and SONY as a work in progress last place. See the film handlers forum:" From all the presentations I found that watching movies on the Barco range provided crisper and deeper images. Christie lacked the depth of Barco and Sony GEEZSZZ.", and JOHNTY's review here plus many other echoes. Of course you could have taken my word for it over the last few years.

SO WHAT IS BARCO UP TO with 4K? We will not see a roadmap until ShowEast here in Florida come October.


I predict that the sole purveyor of lab grade maximum MTF reference DCI projectors will make this move:


I know the Barco DP-3000 was going to be overhauled with many of the features of the .98 machines, it was going to be labeled DP-3000 series 2 and was to compete with the "double frame" "single Projector 3D capable" 1.2" 6kw> category first shown by Christie last October.


I predict that what was going to be the DP-3000 series 2 will now be known as (Ben Ik correct, heren?) the DP-4000 series. How could they not take advantage of such marketing opportunity?

So with that prediction in mind, I would like to speculate what the installation requirements for a SUPERKONTRAST 4K should be....

.... because looking at the spec sheets this projector requires some serious power. Best start planning for it.



CAVEAT: THIS POST IS PURELY SPECULATIVE IN NATURE. No assurance is given that this will be the actual product path; still we would not mind a wager.

 

[Art Sonneborn]



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Originally Posted by CINERAMAX /forum/post/16828321





I predict that what was going to be the DP-3000 series 2 will now be known as (Ben I correct, heren?) the DP-4000 series. How could they not take advantage of such marketing opportunity?

But will it be able to do 2.76:1 ?

Art

 

[CINERAMAX]

Oh yes. But keep in mind that due to the excellent supply of 2-D concerts from the Eagle Vision Brand (ORDER ALL OF THEM), and the introduction of 3D,PLUS 4K that CIH will be competing with CIA.


This projector can handle CIH 2.76 like the .98" platform( I believe -we will confirm when post he lens data).


I envision a 4 way CURVED MASKING with some superb AT Maximum light absorption coefficient German Velvet (someone spoke about taking orders at CEDIA for it

) where the widest image would be 2.76, the tallest image would be 1.66 (or 1.77), then square footage/area consistency would be maintained across all aspect ratios.


Of course you can have a Large Cinemascope mode to watch most of the choice content but the impact on the Screening room design will call for near stadium seating conditions. This is how I envision making the most out of 4K, concerts and 3-D.


Of course in some rooms CIH works best and the smart lens accommodates that too.

 

[donaldk]

How much would you say the premium would be over the 3000? List according to one local vendor is E 100K for the 3000.

 

[CINERAMAX]

These DCI cinema units can only be purchased by one vendor with full warranty, and even then you really need someone with 2 years head start on the macro and control area, that at the moment is mua I am sure others will come, plus the Depth FX is going the biggest thing to happen to 2D ever, and is locked up

.


So it's best to discuss this in terms of TOTAL Budget to end user rather than plain vanilla projector list prices, which I am not sure even exist in this field where sales are done direct in multiples of 100. In any event mine is pure speculation.


It is safe to say under $180 for now, Not Bad for the Meridians worst nightmare.

 

[CINERAMAX]



 

[CINERAMAX]

I am not saying that internally the new projectors are going to be ANYTHING like the 3000, I am saying that from an installation requirements I wager that if you have a 3000 base, a 3000 power supply unit, a ventilation system optimized for such a beast and air conditioned, noise abated and hushed for this machine, I wager that you will be able to just plop in the DP-4000.


The new projector will have integrated electronics with the MEDIA BLOCK inside for DCI, the sever now will only be storage, any hdsdi inputs will be separate from the internal media stream.


It has quickly become common knowledge that the Barco's (Christie can thank Imax for that) are the sharpest (least pasti looking) and highest depth conveying projectors at the moment, and the SUPERKONTRAST MK IV takes the cake, trust me. If you think that these projectors now rule in MTF, forget it, 4K will be a new level of image revelation with brand new optics. Frankly, I cannot wait.

 

[donaldk]

And since, the Barco pdf you linked to earlier states that the 3000 is based on the DP100 chassis, it should be more or less a slot-in replacemnt for that one as well. Boy, Peter, is destined to be a busy boy in 2010/2011;-).

 

[CINERAMAX]

May be not so Donald because although the physical box, and the module compartments are DP100 like that is where the similarity ends. The DP3000 operates very much like a DP-1500, including the smart lens and communicator software (how the projector is set up and the macro architecture encoded). In fact I believe the DP100 has an internal power supply. Only a room with an existing dp-3000 or prefitted with the lamphouse power supply, projector pedestal, triphase connectivity, noise abatement and air handling installation spefifically designed for the DP-3000 would be upgradeable to the mythical DP-4000.

Due to the new formats being enjoyable with these machines new theater architectures are needed, TALL and BUT NOT TOO RECTANGULAR (rather shallow), they have to be IN Your Face mini stadium settings, not with CIH (2 years from now video concerts scaled to 4k, 2k 3D and Nature videos scaled to 4K will impose the need for equal area across ratios).

 

[donaldk]

And new lycra vendors, to strech seamless rp screens;-).

 

[mark haflich]

Omly $180K. seriously not that bad for anyone in the market for an HT of that class. remeber this is not a pop it in and play projector. You will be getting an awful lot of value added fromthe vendor and installer. the installer had better be very expeienced in installations of this type and be relatively near to the installation. you had better like him too, he will become family.

 

[CINERAMAX]

We envision a different scenario, since most of the projector diagnostic can be monitored on line, all that is needed is access to Barco' superb trained engineers, working together with engineering and tech support and 24 hour parts dispatch (which do not need to be local). For example if one of my modded units be installed in Singapore or Thailand

I would work closely with Hendarto Ciputra on all aspects of the install, my technical people in LA would do the remote monitoring and coordinate the flow of replacement parts (if needed), the modded and the non modded. Barco, my tech people (the only sanctioned by Barco to Modify with Full Warranty)and I have a strict methodology for labeling and tracking internal modded components, even if a superficial modification like a contrast enhancement filter in a lamp house. That way if such lamp house were exchanged in a warranty situation Barco's pool of service parts would not be polluted with contrast enhanced parts. With a light engine it is more complicated my technical people have to take it apart and remove any modifications before it can incorporate the Barco service parts pool.

 

[mark haflich]

Like I say,you need a good installer such as Peter and the availabilty of well qualified support which he has that can provide you with on site service quickly.



my point primarily was the pricing seems fair from what you will get and it looks like Peter has provided for it.

 

[W.Mayer]

its not double frame for 3d its


""tripple frame""


the new 1.2" dmd version can do.


double frame in 3d the old 1.2" dms can do since some years.


show west early next year will be the show to see as there will

be likely shootout between the a first sample of the 4k dlp pr. and

a new sony 4k pr.

 

[CINERAMAX]

Thanks Wolfgang, Barco is been very secretive about any new product. Mayb by SHOWEAST.


You are Korrekt Mein Herr, had been thinking of the Titan 3D too much

; changed typo.


By the way I ordered this: 2008-2009 Taipei 101 Fireworks [Blu-ray]

Maybe you want ot get it since you are an expert on that as well.

 

[W.Mayer]

yes that a good tip.

i will order this bd if i can get it.


i found lately that all the 1920x1080 pr. that can do 3d like the titan can only

do 2x 60 hz 3d and not 2x72 hz.


opposite the cinema units like my barco can only do 2x 48hz and

2x 72 hz in 3d at full 2048x1080 but no 2x 60 hz

so its till today not clear when ti talk about live3d in cinemas

what they mean.

as live are most record at 60 hz there cinema units cant show it

and if the record in 24p displayed with tripple flasch (2x 72 hz)it will be studder.

same when they convert the signals.


even my good informed sources dont know about it and tell

me this will be interesting to know.


btw. i saw in my crystalball that a guy very close to my home

will get soon a barco dci unit a dp 1200

good for me as i am not anymore the "only" total craziest in germany

 

[hhelmut]

Dear Wolfgang,


than we will be at minimum three now in:


"good for me as i am not anymore the "only" total craziest in germany"


hhelmut

 

[CINERAMAX]

Congrats Helmut, What Barco do you have? Looks like Miami is taking on the entire Bundesreplublik

soon there will be three Superkontrasts here too. The world is going kuckuck over these Barcos.

 

[Art Sonneborn]

What is the street price on one of these ?


Art

 

[W.Mayer]



Quote:
Originally Posted by hhelmut /forum/post/16891138


Dear Wolfgang,


than we will be at minimum three now in:


"good for me as i am not anymore the "only" total craziest in germany"


hhelmut

dear hhelmut


that is nice.

what model you have and did you have the cr. mod.? inside.


if more are that crazy people get sutch a cinema pr. the more soon

we will get real cinema content.