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Hey hi,

   I went to my local Best Buy tonight to see if I could see a demo of the 5020 or 5030 in 3D, but there was no 5030 (expected) and the demo 5020 went out the door yesterday for $2399.  However, to my great surprise they did have a 4030 up and running ($2499).  I had actually gone to this same location two days ago to view the 5020, but they couldn't find the 3D glasses.  I was unexpectedly in the neighborhood with some time to kill tonight, so thought I'd stop by and see if they had found or replaced the 3D glasses.  They didn't.  Turns out they didn't have any for the 4030 either. 

  My total viewing experience of a 5020 and 4030 are these two 30 minute visits to Best Buy, but to both my wife and I the 4030 clearly seemed better (we saw parts of Life of Pi on 5020, and Iron Man 3 on the 4030).  Okay, okay, I know that this is far from a critical review and I don't even know what setting the 4030 was on (couldn't find the remote and my BB salesman didn't really want to try and play with the projector, something about 'factory setting', so I didn't push it), but it has certainly intrigued me.  So, like so many others I anxiously await reviews of the 4030.  

    Where though does the 4030 fit on the Epson value line up?  For another $100 you get the 5030.  The contrast and the brightness are "better" on the 5030, but other than the lamp, color, and extra year of warranty, does the 4030 have anything to sing about over the 5030?  

 

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Can't answer your other questions, but its nice that someone had it on demo. I've been calling around and all Best Buy has in my area is the VPLHW30es. One place thought they had a 5020 but it turns out they sent it back to Epson in the last two weeks.
 

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Originally Posted by zombie10k  /t/1495845/epson-4030-showing-and-value#post_23860706


It has less contrast, less brightness, but includes the extra lamp and ceiling mount and comes in black. I'd rather have the performance benefits of the 5030 for a small price difference.

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We shall see... epson as a long history of diferent brands but inside are the same projectors, do your research! Homecinemacentral made a test between the epson tw3200(EU) (canada 8345) and tw3600(EU)(powerlite 8350 in US) and they are exactely the SAME projectors the only diference is the firmware.
http://www.homecinemacentral.com.au/?q=reviews/reviews_epson_TW_3600-vs-TW3200.html

Cine4home a couple of years ago made a test with the tw5500(EU) (8700UB in US) and its little brother tw4400(EU) (dont know what brand in US was) and inside they were again exactly the SAME projector, the diference was again the firmware, and what the firmware did? Programed the iris in dinamic mode to be more agressive and acheve a better dinamic contrast in the older brother of the two, but in normal cinema viewing (cinema/natural/thx) mode the image are exactely the same! Why they do this? Economic strategy!? Make only one and sells to a lot of people, who has the money buy the most expensive one thinking that are buying a better one!
http://www.cine4home.de/tests/projektoren/EHTW4400/TW4400Test.htm

My "conspiracy teory" this year is the same that years ago... the 4030 IS or a clone of the 5020 Or a clone of the 5030 with diferent firmwares... to acheive a lesser dinamic contrast and lesser lumens IN dinamic mode, but in cinema/natural mode they are the same! We know that the hardware changes between the 5020 and 5030 are an upgrade of the optical lens that perhaps the 5030 has a better sharpness, i read somewere that the lcd panels were a new ones, but we have to wait for the confirmacion, and an optimized iris (software related?) the rest of the changes are realy sofware related, they simply unbloqueded what was bloqued on 5020 in 3D! Zombie already told that the picture in 2D between the 5020 and 5030 are almoust the same with almoust the same black level, that odd, in teory the 5030 should have twice the black level with twice the dinamic contrast that is publicized (320000:1 in 5020 and 600000:1 in 5030) so once again the 5030 is programed to achieve a better dinamic contrast in Dinamic mode with a more programed agressive iris, BUT in normal viewing mode its the same thing like zombie confirmed!

NOW the better part... The first look review that art of Projector Reviews did of the 4030 confimed that the 4030 has the SAME black level that the 5020!!! What do you know!!!! And it even was calibrated!!! So maybe i am right... or maybe i am not... we shall see!
http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/pro-cinema-4030/first-look.php

I have the 5020 (tw8100 in EU) so i am fine untill 4K comes out in a couple of years in the price range of this one, but for whohat wants an upgrade of the 8350 the 4030 is a must have, who knows, the same projector but lesser money! The europeans this year are the luky ones, the 4030 in EU is the tw7200 and costs 2000€, and its possibly buy it for 1700€, its realy a bargain... Sorry for the bad english

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Has anyone seen this available anywhere? I contacted the BB I am currently dealing with and was told that they do not have this model and a custom installer I spoke to yesterday stated that it has not been released yet (even though it has been seen at BB).


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Why would anyone pay the asking price for this projector when you can get a 5030 for $200 more? I guess that is where I don't see the value in this projector, regardless of the free bulb.
 

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Originally Posted by jmalto  /t/1495845/epson-4030-showing-and-value#post_23874353


Why would anyone pay the asking price for this projector when you can get a 5030 for $200 more? I guess that is where I don't see the value in this projector, regardless of the free bulb.

I can not speak for others but for myself, this is one of a few models I am looking at to determine what will be the best choice.
 

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Originally Posted by jmalto  /t/1495845/epson-4030-showing-and-value#post_23874353


Why would anyone pay the asking price for this projector when you can get a 5030 for $200 more? I guess that is where I don't see the value in this projector, regardless of the free bulb.
 

I like the look of the 4030 much better (BTW, I've been to two separate BB stores in the past week and both had the 4030) - and knowing that the PJ would be covered for 3 years!  That's fantastic.  I also like the security of having an extra bulb on hand, even though I would be concerned about misplacing it.  So, I was tempted.  However, turns out I got a decent deal on a 5030 - which arrives next week!

 

 

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Best Buy gets them directly from Epson. Individual stores get them from distributors and until their local distributor gets stock, your local store won't have stock. and when a store says I will have it in stock at my store in 2 weeks, that means the distributor told him he (the distributor) will have it in 2 weeks, something that may or may not happen depending on Epson..
 

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Some individual stores if big enough go direct with Epson not everyone uses distribution. There is no way of know who is direct and who is not it just depends on volume. Distribution is slower and more costly you are correct.
 

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Originally Posted by phillip2013  /t/1495845/epson-4030-showing-and-value#post_23875519


I like the look of the 4030 much better (BTW, I've been to two separate BB stores in the past week and both had the 4030) - and knowing that the PJ would be covered for 3 years!  That's fantastic.  I also like the security of having an extra bulb on hand, even though I would be concerned about misplacing it.  So, I was tempted.  However, turns out I got a decent deal on a 5030 - which arrives next week!



-phillip

I agree with phillip. I've had a white projector for about 7 years in my little dark grey/darker brown theater, and I think the black will just look better. The included mount and extra bulb were also a big selling point. Plus, I'm getting it for $50 more than my installer quoted me on a 9350 due to his not being able to get one anymore. Since he knows me so well, he already had the 4030 on order before he even called me to tell me about the 9350. It shipped today (joy).


Can't wait to see the difference the upgrade to 1080p and addition of an Oppo 103 makes!
 

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Finally got my hands on a couple of these and installed them. Compared to the 30Xx series the 4030 picture is better. It also has three times the contrast which seems to make some black much blacker obviously but also colors pop much better. I think the picture on the 5030 is a bit brighter but I can't say it's really much better.


It really comes down to you need the accessories and of course an extra year on the warrantee is worth something. It's not really fair saying $200 more buys you and 5030, it's $200 more possible plus, a cable cover, plus a lamp, plus an extra year on the warrantee. I'm glad that this projector to do line but it is kind of an oddball that fits a small market. Although the other major advantage is its black.
 

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Originally Posted by programmergeek  /t/1495845/epson-4030-showing-and-value#post_24015040


Finally got my hands on a couple of these and installed them. Compared to the 30Xx series the 4030 picture is better. It also has three times the contrast which seems to make some black much blacker obviously but also colors pop much better. I think the picture on the 5030 is a bit brighter but I can't say it's really much better.


It really comes down to you need the accessories and of course an extra year on the warrantee is worth something. It's not really fair saying $200 more buys you and 5030, it's $200 more possible plus, a cable cover, plus a lamp, plus an extra year on the warrantee. I'm glad that this projector to do line but it is kind of an oddball that fits a small market. Although the other major advantage is its black.

Thanks for posting your review.


Quick question, what is the cable cover you mentioned? Could you post a picture? Also, how is the quality of the included ceiling mount?
 

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It is this in black, basically hides you from seeing the cables really makes it look better but you can buy them separate. The mount is a top of the line chief mount, down pole and bracket. It also come with a quick release and the specifically made Epson interface plate so it is not a ugly generic one with the arms.
 

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Quick question for you all. I'm trying to decide between the 4030 and the 5030. Is the 5030 that much better in PQ? I know it has 5x the contrast ratio and 400 more lumens, But is the picture going to be that much better and crisper than the 4030. I like the idea of the mount, spare bulb and extra years warranty of the 4030, but I don't want to sacrifice PQ to get that. My room is 100% light controlled, and will be viewed on a 106-110 inch screen.

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Originally Posted by programmergeek  /t/1495845/epson-4030-showing-and-value#post_24020802


It is this in black, basically hides you from seeing the cables really makes it look better but you can buy them separate. The mount is a top of the line chief mount, down pole and bracket. It also come with a quick release and the specifically made Epson interface plate so it is not a ugly generic one with the arms.

Thanks a lot for the info!
 
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