Sounds very interesting. When they say 4k enhancement I presume that we're talking about faux 4k ala E-Shift? In any case will be fascinating to find out in time the real performance criteria of this new projector.
The one thing I do not like about LASER is the short lifespan. 20K hours slogan becomes 6K at best, upon closer inspection of the spec. sheet, and drop-off curve, this was true of the BenQ, the Panasonic a year later, and every Diode LASER (/phosphor) projector since. Only in the big boys toys with output management do we see better lifetime/outputmantainance, due to overcapacity.
We'll have to wait and see what lens quality is like, DI performance, light output, ANSI contrast, ect from reviewers. It's going to take a lot to beat what JVC is already doing.
Epson is showing at IFA Berlin which starts on what is Friday in Berlin. We should know more very shortly. 20,000 hrs is more like the life of a phosphor wheel and that is using a lot of tricks to get there.
epson is showig at IFA Berlin which starts on what is Friday in Berlin. We should know more very shortly. 20,00 is more like the life of a phosphor wheel and that is using a lot of tricks to get there.
3D lumen output and x-talk performance is my main interest on this model. This will probably take some time to get honest info. I expect first impressions (insert this new projector or any other) 'Very bright in 3D, no crosstalk to be seen'...
I honestly have no hope for the 3d, but I would love to be surprised. I will get interested in non DLP 3d machines when they can hang with DLP in regards to ghosting/flicker.
Thread title should be changed SOWK if possible. I thought I was going to find a true 4K projector reading that! Still sounds like an interesting machine though and I am curious to hear more.
No we said except for the epson high end projector. Sony could have done it except they I expect did not have the budget to put a laser phospor hybrid into a new chassis and develop the new optical block.
If Epson is advertising a "laser" projector i wonder if it means another iteration of that combo of red LED and a blue laser split into two sources by a dichroic mirror with one source illuminating a phosphor spinning wheel that provides the green primary color.
If that is the illumination source employed by Epson i don't really see it as being "market disruptive" nor fulfilling the premise that so many videophiles have been waiting for so long : projectors with R/G/B laser light sources spec'd to last at least 30.000 hours and provide at least 1.000 lumens of onscreen brightness.
I guess I will either head to Epson or JVC first. The only problem with Epson is I can expect there to be a long line. If JVC has an offsite location, then it is easy to see the pjs.
Do you think the new Epson is likely to support 3D? These days I would think every new mid to high end projector would, but a few years ago I recall that they were not planning 3D support in the reflective technology pj (which never made it to market I think) that I think this one may be based around.
Sure JVC has true 4k chip projectors, only it uses those with e-shift to do 8K, the true 8K projectors and chips seemed to haven abandoned almost two years ago. There's still that OEM one, still at 180K? One could get two Christies and probably Barco's for that.
I've sent in the request to a mod to change the title.
Don't know why we can't just do it ourselves. I tried to update it about 10 sec after I originally posted it, but found out we cant update it ourselves anymore.
Mark, the forum says there is a reply posted five minutes after the opening post, many forums don't allow post editing after a reply has been posted. Perhaps that is also the case with the new AVS Forum software set-up.
Thanks for the details. I've compared high quality 4K sources on the current JVC's vs the Sony VW1100. It's a good effort but not quite as convincing as the native 4K panels can deliver which should be expected.
I'm interested in DonaldK's comments earlier about the actual longevity of the laser sources.
Its all about advertising and salesmanship. The compromises we made were necessary to lower the cost to you and were determined to have only a minimal teeny tiny impact on PQ. Putting his arm around you. look at that image my friend. Its amazing. Its unbelievable. Their 4K doesn't look any better to your eyes when scaling HD and with OUR direct UHD in, see that REDRAY feed it, its pretty damn close without having to use more expensive chips and lenses.
From my experience differences are there but often very subtle. Are you willing to pay $25,000 for a projector you consider only slightly better than the $12,000 model, especially when you know in a year or two both will be considered obsolete. When you want to upgrade in a few years you'll be happier eating $6,000 than $12,500 on the used market. The new HT 4K laser (fake or real) projectors hitting the market place over the next 18 months or so are going to destabilize the used market -- depreciation has always been a problem but now I believe it's going to be a very bitter pill to swallow. It's really all about perception and marketing determines perception.
is there historical data that proves these laser hybrids at the consumer level can actually last as long as they claim? DonaldK brought up some interesting concerns earlier that no one responded to.
Zombie when I looked some time ago for that old BenQ brochure online and could not find it. I got a printed version at the ISE show, when the projector with BenQ's own hybrid LASER/Phosphor engine was launched. 20K hours, but it was an short throw WXGA projector aimed at the classroom market,i.e. light rooms that need all the lumens, so at the 2000 initial lumens setting, not the 1000 initial lumens that the marketing people say should last 20K hours. But that is to 50% output, i.e. 500 lumens if one is lucky. Take 10K hours and follow the curve it 70% was around 6K hours if I remember correctly, i.e. replace the unit at least every three years, perhaps quicker. The Panasonic 3500 initial lumens engine in the rz-370/470 and wxga models curve was still online a few weeks ago.
LED has 5% or 10% drop-off after 20K hours.
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