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As it's been mentioned on Passion Home cinema and Projector Central that colours out of the box could use a little tweaking, what do you recommend for a "basic" calibration?

I just used the thx tune-up on the w2700 and it feels a bit rusty.

I saw a thread a while ago with numerous images to put on a USB stick but I need to dig it up again.

I also have an old Spyder 3 but I don't have the software anymore, and I don't think you can use this model with PJ...

Looking forward to your insights!
 

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Sorry to those of you that were waiting on my 45es vs HC3800 comparison, while waiting for a new pattern generator to arrive the 45es has sold. :eek:

- As it turns out the pattern generator is arriving the same day the 45ES is being shipped out to a new owner.

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What did you end up keeping?
Still have the HT3550 (have it up for sale) and I also have the HC3800 but not sure if I am keeping it (great all around unit though).

I might be going back to JVC (one of the more recent models).

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How was the visible contrast on the HC3800 compared to the Sony 45ES? Was there a huge difference between the two in terms of black levels?
Intra-scene contrast is higher on the 45ES and it is detectable, other than full field black (clamp down of the HC3800 iris) the black level is superior on the 45ES.

With that said, the HC3800 is able to compete well with the 45ES regarding over-all image quality (the HC3800 surprised me, the comparison result was unexpected).

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Intra-scene contrast is higher on the 45ES and it is detectable, other than full field black (clamp down of the HC3800 iris) the black level is superior on the 45ES.

With that said, the HC3800 is able to compete well with the 45ES regarding over-all image quality (the HC3800 surprised me, the comparison result was unexpected).

- Jason
Sorry the HW45ES isn't going to be around for more detailed comparison. But the general comments above fit what I would have expected. The HW45ES has superior native contrast and lower black levels than the HC3800 which tries to compensate with a dynamic iris that produces mixed results. I'm not surprised that the HC3800's overall performance approaches the HW45ES, which is now a pretty old basic design. Epson keeps making performance improvements on successive generations of 3LCD models. What's impressive is that the HC3800 can come so close in overall performance to the HW45ES while also being capable of going so bright. With the right setup I think the HC3800 could make a good compromise model for those who want to view both in ambient light and in the dark.
 

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Hello - This discussion is so timely. I have a 11.8 feet distance between screen to projector lens and I need to show a 120 inch image. I also need a good amount of adjustments given that its a 7.5 feet ceiling. The projectors I considered were Benq 3550, Epson 3800, Epson 4010. I dropped the 4010 because it did not meet my needs above for image size and had only 10gb HDMI. I was thinking of 3550 given its attractive price but the price has gone up now to match the 3800. Also, I believe the level of adjustments is lesser than what the 3800 or 4010 affords for placement flexibility. Wrt 3800, it is fairly new and it's sold only at best buy. My questions are a) whether 3800 is really that much of a difference to 3200 for its contrast ration difference of 60000? b) whether half the pixels shown in 3800 would be that much of a material difference compared to 3550 which does the full 8100 pixels and c) whether buying 3800 now when there are no sales or no incentives at full price makes sense. Are there other under $1600 4k Projector models (i know its a misnomer for pixel shifting) I should be considering?
 

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@genaccmiller, the HC3800 needs a minimum 11' 6" from the front of the lens to the screen surface in order to throw a 120" image so if your measurements are correct it should just fit your setup. The difference in contrast between the 3200 and 3800 has already been discussed. No one can give a definitive answer without having independently measured both a 3200 and 3800. Without independently measured performance all we can do is speculate. As previously discussed, measurements of previous 3000 series models suggests there will not be a major difference other than the 3800 being able to go a little brighter than the 3200.
 

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@genaccmiller, the HC3800 needs a minimum 11' 6" from the front of the lens to the screen surface in order to throw a 120" image so if your measurements are correct it should just fit your setup. The difference in contrast between the 3200 and 3800 has already been discussed. No one can give a definitive answer without having independently measured both a 3200 and 3800. Without independently measured performance all we can do is speculate. As previously discussed, measurements of previous 3000 series models suggests there will not be a major difference other than the 3800 being able to go a little brighter than the 3200.
So, in different words, what you are saying is that if one will measure the absolute black and white levels of 3200 & 3800 the result would be the same for the blacks, but only the white will have some advantage? This is obviously based on knowledge of previous models.

In terms of projectors technology, is 100 lumen advantage can give 60,000 contrast difference?
 

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So, in different words, what you are saying is that if one will measure the absolute black and white levels of 3200 & 3800 the result would be the same for the blacks, but only the white will have some advantage? This is obviously based on knowledge of previous models.

In terms of projectors technology, is 100 lumen advantage can give 60,000 contrast difference?
The only way I could see the HC3800 having more than double the contrast of the HC3200 is if they had different LCD panels. For example, the 5000 and 6000 series use Epson's Ultra Black (UB) panels that give them a significant increase in contrast over the non-UB panels of the 4000 series. By itself a 100 lumen difference could produce only a minor difference in contrast that might not even be noticeable.
 

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The only way I could see the HC3800 having more than double the contrast of the HC3200 is if they had different LCD panels. For example, the 5000 and 6000 series use Epson's Ultra Black (UB) panels that give them a significant increase in contrast over the non-UB panels of the 4000 series. By itself a 100 lumen difference could produce only a minor difference in contrast that might not even be noticeable.
This is really concerning. On my dedicated theater build when I asked almost most people were of the opinion that 3800 is significantly higher level black than 3200. For me personally the cheaper the better as the extra whistles on the 3800 are really not needed for me. My room is completely black ceiling with dark red walls. When doors are closed its very dark. I am very confused on whether I should just buy the 3200 for significantly less money. What does white being different above mean?

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Absent a 3200/3800 comparison let's look back at the brightness tests from projector central for the 3700 vs the 3100.

Epson HC 3700/3100 ANSI Lumens
MODE
HIGH
MED
ECO
Dynamic
3438/2882
3137/2623
2306/1919
Bright Cinema
2465/2093
2249/1905
1653/1393
Natural
2588/1997
2362/1818
1736/1330
Cinema
2439/2057
2225/1873
1635/1370

For projectors that use the same lamps, the lumen difference between the two ends up being several hundred, so there may be a perceived contrast difference in a less than ideal room while the 3100 might be better suited to a dedicated room which doesn't need the lumens to punch through back ground reflections/light. In my case if the projectors somewhat match the 3100/3700 difference, the 3800 would be the logical pick given my screen size (151.5") and less than ideal room.
 

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Absent a 3200/3800 comparison let's look back at the brightness tests from projector central for the 3700 vs the 3100.

Epson HC 3700/3100 ANSI Lumens
MODE
HIGH
MED
ECO
Dynamic
3438/2882
3137/2623
2306/1919
Bright Cinema
2465/2093
2249/1905
1653/1393
Natural
2588/1997
2362/1818
1736/1330
Cinema
2439/2057
2225/1873
1635/1370

For projectors that use the same lamps, the lumen difference between the two ends up being several hundred, so there may be a perceived contrast difference in a less than ideal room while the 3100 might be better suited to a dedicated room which doesn't need the lumens to punch through back ground reflections/light. In my case if the projectors somewhat match the 3100/3700 difference, the 3800 would be the logical pick given my screen size (151.5") and less than ideal room.
I think it all comes down to individual preferences. For me, given that there is only a $200 difference between the two models, 3800 seems a better fit.
 

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Absent a 3200/3800 comparison let's look back at the brightness tests from projector central for the 3700 vs the 3100.

Epson HC 3700/3100 ANSI Lumens
MODE
HIGH
MED
ECO
Dynamic
3438/2882
3137/2623
2306/1919
Bright Cinema
2465/2093
2249/1905
1653/1393
Natural
2588/1997
2362/1818
1736/1330
Cinema
2439/2057
2225/1873
1635/1370

For projectors that use the same lamps, the lumen difference between the two ends up being several hundred, so there may be a perceived contrast difference in a less than ideal room while the 3100 might be better suited to a dedicated room which doesn't need the lumens to punch through back ground reflections/light. In my case if the projectors somewhat match the 3100/3700 difference, the 3800 would be the logical pick given my screen size (151.5") and less than ideal room.
I project 380cm (150 inches) from a 90" screen. I wish I could go bigger but has technical issue.
It is all in the living room, so obviously room is not treated (walls & ceilling are cream white).
Since the distance is not big with not a big screen the 3200 will be bright enough even on lover lamp modes. My concern is the contrast, not the lumen...
Assuming the 3800 has a real better contrast (if not then the answer is simple for me), with those details, is there any point buying the 3800? Will I be able to benefit from it over 3200?
 

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I project 380cm (150 inches) from a 90" screen. I wish I could go bigger but has technical issue.
It is all in the living room, so obviously room is not treated (walls & ceilling are cream white).
Since the distance is not big with not a big screen the 3200 will be bright enough even on lover lamp modes. My concern is the contrast, not the lumen...
Assuming the 3800 has a real better contrast (if not then the answer is simple for me), with those details, is there any point buying the 3800? Will I be able to benefit from it over 3200?
Not with white walls.
 

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This is really concerning. On my dedicated theater build when I asked almost most people were of the opinion that 3800 is significantly higher level black than 3200. For me personally the cheaper the better as the extra whistles on the 3800 are really not needed for me. My room is completely black ceiling with dark red walls. When doors are closed its very dark. I am very confused on whether I should just buy the 3200 for significantly less money. What does white being different above mean?
Most people must have been either quoting manufacturer specs or just plain guessing without consideration for past Epson 3000 series measured performance. The white being different mentioned above was simply saying that the extra 100 lumens of the 3800 will allow it to go a little brighter than the 3200 which will be most obvious in brighter whites, but it won't go any darker so no improvement in blacks.

Anyone trying to decide between the 3800 and 3200 right now based on contrast and black levels has three choices: trust published manufacturer specs for contrast which are known to be exaggerated, make an educated guess based on the previous history of measured 3000 series performance or wait for a direct measured comparison of the 3800 and 3200 from a reliable source which could take a long time.

If it were me spending my own money and I didn't need the extra 100 lumens or internal speakers of the 3800 I'd save $200 and go with a 3200. YMMV. :)
 

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may I ask which one you preferred just for watching movies in the dark (HDR in particular)?
That's tough because neither unit is superior on all aspects.

The 3550 is more capable regarding color while the 3800 has higher contrast which can give the color more pop (the WCG filter on the 3550 dims the image a good bit).

The 3550 shows a bit more detail (which is difficult to distinguish at ~1x view distance or greater) yet the 3800 is optically sharper.

With both units in their best out of the box presets the 3800 is much brighter (with much less noise) in Eco lamp than the 3550 is in normal lamp (3550 4K actuator is louder than the fans).

Overall I would say that my movie watching preference would likely come down to the content being viewed, they both throw a really nice image (especially at the price point).

My speculation is that the general population would be split on these two.

In my very dark room with ambient light control I can easily see the difference but short of that type of room the 3800 is definitely the better choice IMHO.

- Jason
 
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Damn I don't want to buy it from Best Buy since they charge restocking fees
Does BB now have some kind of exclusive rights with Epson? How come BB is the only source still that has those 3800 units in stock? B&H says availability in Jan 2020, Amazon does not have it at all. Odd.
 
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