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Epson LS10500 4K (enhancement) laser projector

Epson will finally update is LS10000 with the new LS10500.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...4k-enhancement-and-hdr-support-300327679.html

The new projector seem to be very similar to the LS10000, same brightness and no native 4k but now with the support for a 4K source and HDR.

No mention of a 4k source frame interpolation support and no mention of full 18gps support.

Look like they use the same processing as there new 3LCD
 

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So just a few tweaks to the current platform and no major changes. A bit of a bummer, but oh well.

It will probably have the new and improved lens as seen on the 5040, which is already an updated version of the lens that is in the LS10000. This together with the newest version of Epson's pixel shift system should result in a bit better overall image quality. Full DCI P3 coverage that can actually be calibrated and mapped is of course a big selling point as well, giving the option to watch SDR UHD's with a HDfury and get the full color gamut is just great. Though, I was hoping that last thing would be added via firmware to the existing LS10000.

The 5040 was built from the ground up on an entirely new platform, so I guess it's too early to expect that for the LS10000. This seem to be a stepping stone projector in the new and still not yet completely set in stone territory that is UHD blu-ray.

It's clear that JVC are the ones pushing the envelope right now. That said, the LS10500 can now stand in competition. At 7,999$ with its laser light source, UHD compatability with full DCI coverage it is a nice option for people who don't need the lumens, and who find many things to like with the laser light source (like me).
 

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Thanks for the info Rick.

That basically guarantees no update to the LS10K. It would have been nice if they just updated it for the BT2020->P3 mapping for UHD SDR WCG.

The relatively low lumen output doesn't make much sense for HDR but UHD SDR WCG is going to look excellent if it's anything like we are experiencing on the JVC's.
 

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Thanks for the info Rick.

That basically guarantees no update to the LS10K. It would have been nice if they just updated it for the BT2020->P3 mapping for UHD SDR WCG.

The relatively low lumen output doesn't make much sense for HDR but UHD SDR WCG is going to look excellent if it's anything like we are experiencing on the JVC's.
Yeah, it's a shame the LS10000 technically has the capability to show the DCI P3 gamut but can't practically be made to show it, unless you have an expensive external video processor that is.

Do you know how well the HDR adjustment settings they introduced for the 5040 works? I remember reading that it had some preset options like "HDR1, HDR2" that aimed to make up for discrepancies in how many nits the disc was mastered for? I don't know nearly enough about this, but if they have a good system for making HDR look better with projectors, sort of like how Sony introduced that HDR slider in the new 550es, then that could be exciting. :)
 

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Yeah, it's a shame the LS10000 technically has the capability to show the DCI P3 gamut but can't practically be made to show it, unless you have an expensive external video processor that is.
I'm trying to catch up on the LS10000 WCG chase. So even though it's been demonstrated that the LS10000 can accept a 1080p BT.2020 input and display something using its WCG, you're saying it will never be color accurate without a processor with 3D LUT? Has the HDFury Linker been ruled out as being able to provide a proper conversion?
 

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I'm a little disappointed with this announcement based on what we know and its price. I was hoping for improved native contrast and there are no signs of that. True, there may be a lens improvement given what Epson did with the LCD models and there are hints of it in the press release (High-Performance Pro Cinema Lens). Hopefully they improved the e-shift functionality to make it at least on par with JVC. I too wonder if watching rec 2020 on UHD BDs is now possible. The HDR factor seems relatively unimportant for front projection at this point and more marketing really.

It seems to me the RS500 is still the projector to get for the money especially as the reports indicate the new lamp is even more stable compared to prior models.
 

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I'm a little disappointed with this announcement based on what we know and its price. I was hoping for improved native contrast and there are no signs of that. True, there may be a lens improvement given what Epson did with the LCD models and there are hints of it in the press release (High-Performance Pro Cinema Lens). Hopefully they improved the e-shift functionality to make it at least on par with JVC. I too wonder if watching rec 2020 on UHD BDs is now possible. The HDR factor seems relatively unimportant for front projection at this point and more marketing really.

It seems to me the RS500 is still the projector to get for the money especially as the reports indicate the new lamp is even more stable compared to prior models.

The big deal for the new 10500 owners is going to be the UHD + HDfury combo for UHD SDR WCG. I was floored when I saw this set up properly the first time on the RS600.

kohe321 - from the polish review of the 5040, it looks like HDR1 clips whites hard and HDR2 is better here but obscures shadow details.
 

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I'm trying to catch up on the LS10000 WCG chase. So even though it's been demonstrated that the LS10000 can accept a 1080p BT.2020 input and display something using its WCG, you're saying it will never be color accurate without a processor with 3D LUT? Has the HDFury Linker been ruled out as being able to provide a proper conversion?
I am still eagerly wating to read more about what the LS10000 can do together with the new HDFury Linker, but I'm not very optimistic that it will be able to properly map the color points and give an accurate and properly saturated picture. Crossing my fingers that it somehow works, though!

The UHD SDR WCG combo you would get with a HDFury might be what pushes me into upgrading to the LS10500 if it turns out that it won't be doable on the LS10000 without a 3d LUT processor. The better lens and e-shift would be a great bonus as well. :)
 

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And probably a new lens and new e-shift as well. :)
Lets hope so:) Unfortunately, I'm fast coming to the conclusion that UHD HDR 4K projector viewing is a rich mans game at the moment requiring the heavy duty lumens of a JVC or Sony laser projector to get anywhere near the required brightness for projection systems:(
 

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And probably a new lens and new e-shift as well. :)
I will be shocked if it has a new lens. I would be willing to bet that it has the same lens as the LS10000. I see no reason that Epson would change it. It is not like people complained about the lens.
 

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I will be shocked if it has a new lens. I would be willing to bet that it has the same lens as the LS10000. I see no reason that Epson would change it. It is not like people complained about the lens.
I'm not talking about a drastically new lens revision, but rather the same lens that's in the new 5040, which I understand is a slightly updated version of the Fujinon lens that's in the current LS10000. If they have improved it and the 5040 is using it, it makes no sense not to give their new flagship the same treatment.

And yeah, the lens in the LS10000 is already great so it would just be icing on the cake. :)

By the way, this might just be completely unrealistic dreaming, but do we know for sure that the panels have not been updated in any way and are identical to the ones in the LS10000? Sure they are still 1080p, but is it possible they could've made some tweaks to them, improving the contrast performance for instance?

I guess the updated lens could improve intrascene contrast a bit.
 

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I'm not talking about a drastically new lens revision, but rather the same lens that's in the new 5040, which I understand is a slightly updated version of the Fujinon lens that's in the current LS10000. If they have improved it and the 5040 is using it, it makes no sense not to give their new flagship the same treatment.

And yeah, the lens in the LS10000 is already great so it would just be icing on the cake. :)

By the way, this might just be completely unrealistic dreaming, but do we know for sure that the panels have not been updated in any way and are identical to the ones in the LS10000? Sure they are still 1080p, but is it possible they could've made some tweaks to them, improving the contrast performance for instance?

I guess the updated lens could improve intrascene contrast a bit.
Can't be the same panels. The LS10000 is different technology. LS is reflective Quartz and the 5040 is LCD.
 

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Can't be the same panels. The LS10000 is different technology. LS is reflective Quartz and the 5040 is LCD.
I think you misunderstood my post, I'm not talking about the 5040, I am wondering if the new LS10500 is still using the same LCoQ panels that is in the LS10000. It would be interesting to get confirmation on whether or not they have done any tweaks or updates to the panels, or if they are continuing to use the panels from the LS10000 in the LS10500. I haven't read anything on this yet, though it seems people are assuming the panels are unchanged since there is no explicit info saying otherwise.

It would be great if there was some upgrade done to the reflective panels in the LS10500, for example a bump in contrast performance. :)
 
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