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ESPN Big Monday--Oklahoma St vs Texas

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I'm not one who usually complains about ESPN HD's picture quality, but I turned on this game with about 10 minutes to go and the PQ is really bad. The close ups aren't horrible, but the full court shots from up high really do look like stretched SD. I'm watching on D*, btw.
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Originally Posted by danc8379 /forum/post/12890952


I'm not one who usually complains about ESPN HD's picture quality, but I turned on this game with about 10 minutes to go and the PQ is really bad. The close ups aren't horrible, but the full court shots from up high really do look like stretched SD. I'm watching on D*, btw.

Looked terrible on E* as well.
I noticed the same thing, the HD looked pretty bad. More often than not, ESPNHD college bball games look pretty good. Must have had the crap truck that still has 1st gen HD equipment on it? I have no clue.


I'm on Comcast in Philly.

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Originally Posted by ak3883 /forum/post/12895752


Must have had the crap truck that still has 1st gen HD equipment on it? I have no clue.

You really don't have a clue with statements like that about production trucks like that.

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Originally Posted by homcom /forum/post/12896024


You really don't have a clue with statements like that about production trucks like that.

Enlighten me. Why is it that once in awhile the PQ on sporting events on ESPNHD look bad, when other times from the same location the PQ has been top-notch?


Seriously i'd love to know why. Notice i put a question mark and claimed I didn't know, rather than stating that was the definative reason.

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Originally Posted by ak3883 /forum/post/12896343


Enlighten me. Why is it that once in awhile the PQ on sporting events on ESPNHD look bad, when other times from the same location the PQ has been top-notch?


Seriously i'd love to know why. Notice i put a question mark and claimed I didn't know, rather than stating that was the definative reason.

Different transmission methods, different bitrates on the backhaul, and on very very rare occasions an equipment problem or failure. Also different crews have more experience then others, the remote broadcast business is mainly a freelance business so it is a highly professional field, but some people are better then others and some people also have days when they don't have their A game.

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Originally Posted by homcom /forum/post/12896532


Different transmission methods, different bitrates on the backhaul, and on very very rare occasions an equipment problem or failure. Also different crews have more experience then others, the remote broadcast business is mainly a freelance business so it is a highly professional field, but some people are better then others and some people also have days when they don't have their A game.

Add in different venues as well. Just like Texas Stadium has really bad lighting making Dallas Cowboys HD games to look 'soft' and dull at times, Gallagher-Iba Arena has really bad sight lines for TV cameras. Granted, its much better when they expanded the capacity earlier this decade and got rid of the nearly on top of the court birds nest they used for the main camera, but it still isn't a good stadium to watch on TV.
You also have to consider that most college games do not have a fiber backhaul back to the integration studio, but rather a satellite uplink as the primary. Depending on the quality of the uplink truck, signal processing, dish, weather conditions, operator, etc these could also affect the PQ of a game in one way or the other, whereas fiber is a bit more transparent (and uncompressed). Most major events (most of the NFL remotes) have a fiber optic primary (or several fiber feeds) back to the studio. Monday Night Football has like 8 feeds (of which most are HD) generally allowing quadruple HD redundancy as the pregame truck can always take the game truck to air in the case of a failure. NESN uses a 100mbps fiber backhaul from the Garden & Fenway for their home games. Smaller college remotes are not gonna have anything near this and often are one-day gigs.


And then again consider you are watching on D* and/or E* where (if you read enough of these threads) you will start to see trends that the ESPN PQ is for whatever reason generally problematic coming from satellite providers. Most of those who routinely complain about the ESPN feeds are those watching on DSS. Could be MPEG2, could be some bit rate shaping going on, some encoding/decoding mishap, who knows.
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Originally Posted by ABCTV99 /forum/post/12900497


You also have to consider that most college games do not have a fiber backhaul back to the integration studio, but rather a satellite uplink as the primary. Depending on the quality of the uplink truck, signal processing, dish, weather conditions, operator, etc these could also affect the PQ of a game in one way or the other, whereas fiber is a bit more transparent (and uncompressed). Most major events (most of the NFL remotes) have a fiber optic primary (or several fiber feeds) back to the studio. Monday Night Football has like 8 feeds (of which most are HD) generally allowing quadruple HD redundancy as the pregame truck can always take the game truck to air in the case of a failure. NESN uses a 100mbps fiber backhaul from the Garden & Fenway for their home games. Smaller college remotes are not gonna have anything near this and often are one-day gigs.


And then again consider you are watching on D* and/or E* where (if you read enough of these threads) you will start to see trends that the ESPN PQ is for whatever reason generally problematic coming from satellite providers. Most of those who routinely complain about the ESPN feeds are those watching on DSS. Could be MPEG2, could be some bit rate shaping going on, some encoding/decoding mishap, who knows.

Great info. Is that one of the reasons why games at MSG games usually look great(even considering the awful lighting in there), because they can tap into a fiber backhaul since they are in the heart of NYC?

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Originally Posted by ak3883 /forum/post/12907116


Great info. Is that one of the reasons why games at MSG games usually look great(even considering the awful lighting in there), because they can tap into a fiber backhaul since they are in the heart of NYC?

Having a fiber backhaul has alot more to do with being at a pro arena then being in NYC. Most if not all pro stadiums have a fiber connection. They are much more rare at college venues.
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