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If what Panasonic said at CES last week is true this will be rendered pointless this year. They claim that this year's sets use half the power of previous models.


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If what Panasonic said at CES last week is true this will be rendered pointless this year. They claim that this year's sets use half the power of previous models.


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good to know, thanks for linking that article
 

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it depends on what the Govt. defines as 'too much power consumption', even the new sets could fall under this.


recall Jimmy Carter telling Americans to turn down the Thermostat and put on a Sweater, anything is possible(except for building new power plants).



There's already been a movement to outlaw regular lightbulbs for Incadescent light bulbs on the State and Federal levels in the US, I bet something happens on Federal level this year with it. GE is heavily invested in it happening, as far as lobbiest go. These idiots will create a black market for Light bulbs and Plasma TV's if they get away with this stuff.
 

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I was changing stations on the radio this morning and happened upon the Erich "Mancow" Muller show on WLS 890AM sometime around 11am. I don't know who Mancow and his partner, veteran newsman Pat Cassidy were talking to about televisions. The info was that plasmas are definitely going to be banned in Europe. The guy stated the info like it was a done deal.
 

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I was changing stations on the radio this morning and happened upon the Erich "Mancow" Muller show on WLS 890AM sometime around 11am. I don't know who Mancow and his partner, veteran newsman Pat Cassidy were talking to about televisions. The info was that plasmas are definitely going to be banned in Europe. The guy stated the info like it was a done deal.

Not a done deal at all. At this time Europe is merely considering banning only the largest Plasma TVs since they use so much more power than smaller Plasma and LCD TVs. The articles i've been reading over the weekend are so full of mis-information and half-truths about Plasma TV power draw from clueless reporters that it's making Plasmas look like they draw twice the wattage of LCD TVs. They even stated that a 42" Plasma draws 822 watts of power, which is about 4 times the power draw of my 2005 42" Panasonic that i tested with a Kill-A-Watt meter.
 

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Yup, simply power usage/efficiency based.

Not a ban on "plasmas".

The larger plasmas(currently) use a good amount, but any manufacturer that wants to meet the required level will meet it.
 

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Not a done deal at all. At this time Europe is merely considering banning only the largest Plasma TVs since they use so much more power than smaller Plasma and LCD TVs. The articles i've been reading over the weekend are so full of mis-information and half-truths about Plasma TV power draw from clueless reporters that it's making Plasmas look like they draw twice the wattage of LCD TVs. They even stated that a 42" Plasma draws 822 watts of power, which is about 4 times the power draw of my 2005 42" Panasonic that i tested with a Kill-A-Watt meter.

Wow, that's like saying my PC draws 1000 watts because it has a 1000 watt PS and once in a blue moon it might spike that high. People are idiots, the majority of plasmas don't use a whole lot more energy then their LCD counterparts and definitely nowhere near the 822 watts they claim. If they're worried about energy usage then they should look at the amount of energy being WASTED by people using old appliances or who don't turn off the 25 lights they have in their kitchens/bathrooms.
 

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they should just ban TVs altogether and be done with it

or just put a cap on max energy usage per meter

or maybe do a real energy test to see if a comparable plasma/lcd with similar viewing settings really do use similar amounts of power. (like putting lcd on dim and plasma on torch mode, lol)


this quote said it best:

"I have just spoken to Panasonic about this and it really isn't as much of a problem as is it may appear. The power consumption of a Plasma is quoted as a maximum but the actual consumption varies according to whether the screen is dark or bright so you need to consider the average consumption in normal viewing conditions. An LCD TV consumes a constant level of power because the backlight illuminates the screen with a constant level of consumption. So the power consumption of an Plasma TV isn't that different to an LCD on average."
 

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they should just ban TVs altogether and be done with it


Man, my life would be boring without tv in the northeast 5 months out of the year.(november through march)
 

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Man, my life would be boring without tv in the northeast 5 months out of the year.(november through march)

That's when you should be out chopping wood to keep the stove putting out heat.
 

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^^^ Believe it or not I do....my grandfather is still kicking and works ~30 hours a week taking big, cut down trees and splitting them all the way down to firewood.

Which me an my pop go down to help him either stack and/or deliver on the weekends when the Eagles aren't playing.
 

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Not a done deal at all. At this time Europe is merely considering banning only the largest Plasma TVs since they use so much more power than smaller Plasma and LCD TVs. The articles i've been reading over the weekend are so full of mis-information and half-truths about Plasma TV power draw from clueless reporters that it's making Plasmas look like they draw twice the wattage of LCD TVs. They even stated that a 42" Plasma draws 822 watts of power, which is about 4 times the power draw of my 2005 42" Panasonic that i tested with a Kill-A-Watt meter.

Thanks for the info. It's too bad people go around giving false info especially when it is broadcast on a major radio station that gets to a large audience.
 

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I recently saw a newscast here in the states stating that countries in Europe are thinking about eliminating plasma sales all together due to high energy consumption. I am wondering if anyone - especially from Europe has any comments on this.


Link to similar story - http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...lasma_tvs.html

EICTA has already made a press release last week to clarify the mis-information:


TV power consumption – Important clarification on behalf of the European electronics industry

14 January 2009

Recent press reports claimed that Plasma TV technology may be banned from the market soon for energy efficiency reasons. Such statements are factually incorrect. Enclosed please find the clarification statement issued by EICTA on behalf of the European electronics industry.

http://www.eicta.org/web/news/telecharger.php?iddoc=865


"Recent press reports claimed that Plasma TV technology may be banned from the market soon for energy efficiency reasons. Such statements are factually incorrect.


According to the pertinent EU directive1 a technology such as plasma cannot be banned from the market as long as the TV sets (using this technology) comply with the energy efficiency requirements.


The EU and its member states are currently working on new regulations to ensure improved energy efficiency of TV sets across all technologies, including Plasma TVs, LCD TVs, CRT based TVs, etc.


All manufacturers will be required to meet these new minimum efficiency standards in order to continue producing, importing and selling TV sets on the European market. This regulation is expected to be published during the second half of 2009. After a period of transition products are expected to be compliant by the second half of 2010.


It is important to understand that all relevant Technologies i.e. Plasma, LCDs and CRT TVs differ in the way they consume power. However, the industry has unified the criteria to make an equal measure across all technologies to allow a comparison to the consumer.


Overall, both LCD and plasma technology have made significant advances over the past few years and both are achieving better and better power efficiency. At the recent Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, many manufacturers showed current and future technologies, demonstrating the industry’s continued commitment to improving energy efficiency even further independent of the type of technology."
 

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EICTA has already made a press release last week to clarify the mis-information:


TV power consumption - Important clarification on behalf of the European electronics industry

14 January 2009

Recent press reports claimed that Plasma TV technology may be banned from the market soon for energy efficiency reasons. Such statements are factually incorrect. Enclosed please find the clarification statement issued by EICTA on behalf of the European electronics industry.

http://www.eicta.org/web/news/telecharger.php?iddoc=865


"Recent press reports claimed that Plasma TV technology may be banned from the market soon for energy efficiency reasons. Such statements are factually incorrect.


According to the pertinent EU directive1 a technology such as plasma cannot be banned from the market as long as the TV sets (using this technology) comply with the energy efficiency requirements.


The EU and its member states are currently working on new regulations to ensure improved energy efficiency of TV sets across all technologies, including Plasma TVs, LCD TVs, CRT based TVs, etc.


All manufacturers will be required to meet these new minimum efficiency standards in order to continue producing, importing and selling TV sets on the European market. This regulation is expected to be published during the second half of 2009. After a period of transition products are expected to be compliant by the second half of 2010.


It is important to understand that all relevant Technologies i.e. Plasma, LCDs and CRT TVs differ in the way they consume power. However, the industry has unified the criteria to make an equal measure across all technologies to allow a comparison to the consumer.


Overall, both LCD and plasma technology have made significant advances over the past few years and both are achieving better and better power efficiency. At the recent Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, many manufacturers showed current and future technologies, demonstrating the industry's continued commitment to improving energy efficiency even further independent of the type of technology."


sounds good, thanks for that article
 
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