Experience of buying on-line if based in "Northern Axis of Evil", Canada
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You will be the envy of all your friends. Seriously, I think you named them all and you will also be looking at a few more days of shipping via freight and do not ship any other way than freight because of the insurance protection etc..
Did I mention you will be the envy of all your friends?
Did I mention you will be the envy of all your friends?beanagee1:
I bought my 503CMX off an Internet dealer more than a year ago and saved a huge amount of money compared to buying in Toronto. You take a chance with the warranty, though, as I believe they aren’t valid in Canada if you buy in the US.
As far as bringing it into the country goes, I paid the GST, shipping (insured), and a small Fedex brokerage fee. There was no duty charged on the plasma because of NAFTA. Electronics coming from the US have been duty free for at least 10 years.
I bought my 503CMX off an Internet dealer more than a year ago and saved a huge amount of money compared to buying in Toronto. You take a chance with the warranty, though, as I believe they aren’t valid in Canada if you buy in the US.
As far as bringing it into the country goes, I paid the GST, shipping (insured), and a small Fedex brokerage fee. There was no duty charged on the plasma because of NAFTA. Electronics coming from the US have been duty free for at least 10 years.
Hey Lisa ... how many units have you sold to Canadian customers ?? I'm in the market sometime before the fall ...
PS - an ebay guy refused to take my money cause I was Canadian ... something to the effect that "I must be against the war since the Canadian gov't was not inclined to participate in Iraq" .
I was pretty shocked ... considering that Americans themselves can be found on both sides of that debate any eve on CNN's "Crossfire" .
Politics aside , sure hope we Canucks don't catch any more of this kind of stuff ... we LOVE buying stuff from the USA !!!
js.
PS - an ebay guy refused to take my money cause I was Canadian ... something to the effect that "I must be against the war since the Canadian gov't was not inclined to participate in Iraq" .
I was pretty shocked ... considering that Americans themselves can be found on both sides of that debate any eve on CNN's "Crossfire" .
Politics aside , sure hope we Canucks don't catch any more of this kind of stuff ... we LOVE buying stuff from the USA !!!
js.
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Jim you used regular fedex or freight fedex? Also, Im confused I always hear duty broker and taxes? Please explain more on that policy? As far as warranty if the dealer will allow you to ship it back to there location for service in the event of..it should be ok.
Jlsavs--I apologize I cannot answer some of your questions because it is against AVS forum policy and would be considered marketing.
LisaJ :::smacks the Ebay guy for you though::: You should send him to the war thread on this forum -- it would definatley be a real eye opener for him !!!
| Originally posted by Jim Boden beanagee1: I bought my 503CMX off an Internet dealer more than a year ago and saved a huge amount of money compared to buying in Toronto. You take a chance with the warranty, though, as I believe they aren’t valid in Canada if you buy in the US. As far as bringing it into the country goes, I paid the GST, shipping (insured), and a small Fedex brokerage fee. There was no duty charged on the plasma because of NAFTA. Electronics coming from the US have been duty free for at least 10 years. |
Jlsavs--I apologize I cannot answer some of your questions because it is against AVS forum policy and would be considered marketing.
LisaJ :::smacks the Ebay guy for you though:::
You should send him to the war thread on this forum -- it would definatley be a real eye opener for him !!!
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when you ship from the US into canada, these are the things to consider, at least from a canadian customs point of view:
1) taxes: there's GST (8%) and PST (7%) to worry about, but if you have the item shipped to an office or work address, you only pay the GST.
2) duty: to be applicable under NAFTA, the item shipped must be manufactured and assembled in the US in its entirety - that means every part of it has to be of US origin. there's a certificate of NAFTA compliance that should accompany the product over the border in order to qualify for exemption from duty; without it, they'll ding you for the duty. if you're lucky enough neither to have the certificate of exemption nor to be charged duty, then you're just that - lucky. if revenue and customs canada decides to look a little closer at the transaction, they will drop the hammer on you.
for plasmas, the duty is 5% if you manage to get it qualified under "flat panel displays", or 6% if you get it under "plasma monitor".
if you decide to drive to the US, purchase the item and drive it back across the border yourself, then the customs agents where you declare the product typically ignore the letter of the NAFTA law, so to speak, and consider the simple purchase of the item in the US as sufficient to qualifiy it for freedom from duty.
3) brokerage: this is the fee you pay a company to do all the paperwork for you at customs, and it's typically some percentage of the shipped price of the item. if you live close to the particular point where the item will enter canada and go through customs, you can actually go and pick it up yourself and pay nothing.
4) warranty: this is obviously an item-by-item issue. for instance, having a fujitsu plasma shipped to you from the US from an internet dealer involves voiding the manufacturer's warranty. however, if you drive to the US, buy it and there and drive it back to canada, then the warranty follows the display. your mileage may vary with different manufacturers.
similarly with the nature of the warranty. as an example, any applicable fujitsu warranty involves in-home repair during the first year, so if you brought the display over the border from the US in one of the acceptable ways (acceptable to fujitsu, that is), then you need never have to ship your fuji panel anywhere for that period; after the first year (it's a 3 year warranty), you just take it to the closest canadian fuji service-center.
although i know pioneer has the same in-home warranty coverage, i am not sure if it applies to pio plasmas bought in the US and shipped to canada.
i have both been through this process and have researched it with customs canada as a part of my deliberations concerning the purchase of a fujitsu plasma from a US dealer.
anyway. there it is, for whatever it's worth.
- jd
1) taxes: there's GST (8%) and PST (7%) to worry about, but if you have the item shipped to an office or work address, you only pay the GST.
2) duty: to be applicable under NAFTA, the item shipped must be manufactured and assembled in the US in its entirety - that means every part of it has to be of US origin. there's a certificate of NAFTA compliance that should accompany the product over the border in order to qualify for exemption from duty; without it, they'll ding you for the duty. if you're lucky enough neither to have the certificate of exemption nor to be charged duty, then you're just that - lucky. if revenue and customs canada decides to look a little closer at the transaction, they will drop the hammer on you.
for plasmas, the duty is 5% if you manage to get it qualified under "flat panel displays", or 6% if you get it under "plasma monitor".
if you decide to drive to the US, purchase the item and drive it back across the border yourself, then the customs agents where you declare the product typically ignore the letter of the NAFTA law, so to speak, and consider the simple purchase of the item in the US as sufficient to qualifiy it for freedom from duty.
3) brokerage: this is the fee you pay a company to do all the paperwork for you at customs, and it's typically some percentage of the shipped price of the item. if you live close to the particular point where the item will enter canada and go through customs, you can actually go and pick it up yourself and pay nothing.
4) warranty: this is obviously an item-by-item issue. for instance, having a fujitsu plasma shipped to you from the US from an internet dealer involves voiding the manufacturer's warranty. however, if you drive to the US, buy it and there and drive it back to canada, then the warranty follows the display. your mileage may vary with different manufacturers.
similarly with the nature of the warranty. as an example, any applicable fujitsu warranty involves in-home repair during the first year, so if you brought the display over the border from the US in one of the acceptable ways (acceptable to fujitsu, that is), then you need never have to ship your fuji panel anywhere for that period; after the first year (it's a 3 year warranty), you just take it to the closest canadian fuji service-center.
although i know pioneer has the same in-home warranty coverage, i am not sure if it applies to pio plasmas bought in the US and shipped to canada.
i have both been through this process and have researched it with customs canada as a part of my deliberations concerning the purchase of a fujitsu plasma from a US dealer.
anyway. there it is, for whatever it's worth.
- jd
john doran:
Perhaps some of the rules have changed, but I did not pay PST or duty when my Pioneer plasma was brought into the country by Fedex in early 2002. Fedex cleared it through customs and it was declared as a plasma screen and it was in a monstrous box clearly identified with the Pioneer name and logo. The brokerage fee was nominal, something like $8. I did pay Fedex for first class shipping and insurance, though, which was about $350US.
Perhaps some of the rules have changed, but I did not pay PST or duty when my Pioneer plasma was brought into the country by Fedex in early 2002. Fedex cleared it through customs and it was declared as a plasma screen and it was in a monstrous box clearly identified with the Pioneer name and logo. The brokerage fee was nominal, something like $8. I did pay Fedex for first class shipping and insurance, though, which was about $350US.
LisaJ:
I'm not sure I understand your question. The Internet dealer made the arrangement with Fedex and insured it. It came by air from Texas and was delivered in a big truck by 2 (fortunately) strong guys to my house.
I paid Fedex a nominal duty of about $8 to act as broker. Canada Customs did not charge duty to bring it into Canada. I paid GST (Goods and Services Tax), but no PST (Provincial Sales Tax).
I'm not sure I understand your question. The Internet dealer made the arrangement with Fedex and insured it. It came by air from Texas and was delivered in a big truck by 2 (fortunately) strong guys to my house.
I paid Fedex a nominal duty of about $8 to act as broker. Canada Customs did not charge duty to bring it into Canada. I paid GST (Goods and Services Tax), but no PST (Provincial Sales Tax).
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jim,
i would imagine either that the pioneer qualifies under NAFTA for no duty, or it doesn't, and the guy at customs didn't care. either way, it worked out great for you.
as for the PST, i would guess they thought it was a work address they were shipping it to. or maybe the rules were different when you got your pio.
8$ brokerage is fantastic; as i said, i've paid a brokerage fee that was a percentage of the shipped price, as well as one that was a flat-rate (around $120). of course, they don't have to charge you anything, since it's just to cover their time and effort in filling out the paperwork.
i sure wish i had fed-ex instead of the freight company that shipped my sub into the country for me....
- jd
i would imagine either that the pioneer qualifies under NAFTA for no duty, or it doesn't, and the guy at customs didn't care. either way, it worked out great for you.
as for the PST, i would guess they thought it was a work address they were shipping it to. or maybe the rules were different when you got your pio.
8$ brokerage is fantastic; as i said, i've paid a brokerage fee that was a percentage of the shipped price, as well as one that was a flat-rate (around $120). of course, they don't have to charge you anything, since it's just to cover their time and effort in filling out the paperwork.
i sure wish i had fed-ex instead of the freight company that shipped my sub into the country for me....
- jd
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Ok there are two divisions of fedex..one is fedex and one is freight..I really cringe at the thought of sending anything out of the country via regular fedex no matter how cheap it is. Fedex freight would be acceptable. I was trying to find out if yours was regular fedex or freight.
| Originally posted by Jim Boden LisaJ: I'm not sure I understand your question. The Internet dealer made the arrangement with Fedex and insured it. It came by air from Texas and was delivered in a big truck by 2 (fortunately) strong guys to my house. I paid Fedex a nominal duty of about $8 to act as broker. Canada Customs did not charge duty to bring it into Canada. I paid GST (Goods and Services Tax), but no PST (Provincial Sales Tax). |
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That has got to be one of the stupidest things I've heard in a long time. I hope you left the appropriate feedback.
| Originally posted by jlsavs PS - an ebay guy refused to take my money cause I was Canadian ... something to the effect that "I must be against the war since the Canadian gov't was not inclined to participate in Iraq" . |
With regards to Canadian duties on consumer electronics, NAFTA is irrelevant. Canada unilaterally dropped (i.e., importing from all countries in the world) its duties on virtually all consumer electronics prior to NAFTA as there was virtually no related industry to protect here and the economic net benefit of collecting duties did not outweigh the economic cost to consumers. NAFTA contains additional duty-free status provisions for computer hardware and software imported from the USA and Mexico. As someone pointed out above, country(-ies) of origin where most of the value has been added will determine whether these products are subject to duty or not.
The attached article below clearly states that Canada is part of the "Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts About America"
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Axis of Evil Club
by John Cleese
Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil" club, Libya, China and Syria today announced that they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil", which they said would be more evil than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of in his State of the Union address. Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new Axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name.
"Right! They are just as evil in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il. "Everybody knows we're the best at being evil. We're the best." Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the original Axis of Evil. "They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. "An axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the old evil Axis. So, you can only have three, and a secret handshake. Ours is wickedly cool."
International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what has become a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan and Serbia announced that they had formed the "Axis of Somewhat Evil," forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the "Axis of Occasionally Evil," while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the "Axis of Not So Much Evil Really as Just Generally Disagreeable." With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the "Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics".
Canada, Mexico and Australia formed the "Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts About America", while Scotland, New Zealand and Spain established the "Axis of Countries That Want Sheep to Wear Lipstick." "That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. (This is not Creagan's Uncle)
While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the "Axis of Countries Whose Names End in 'Guay'", accusing one of its members of filing a false application.
Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.
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_______________________________________
Axis of Evil Club
by John Cleese
Bitter after being snubbed for membership in the "Axis of Evil" club, Libya, China and Syria today announced that they had formed the "Axis of Just as Evil", which they said would be more evil than that stupid Iran-Iraq-North Korea axis President Bush warned of in his State of the Union address. Axis of Evil members, however, immediately dismissed the new Axis as having, for starters, a really dumb name.
"Right! They are just as evil in their dreams!" declared North Korean leader Kim Jong-Il. "Everybody knows we're the best at being evil. We're the best." Diplomats from Syria denied they were jealous over being excluded, although they conceded they did ask if they could join the original Axis of Evil. "They told us it was full," said Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. "An axis can't have more than three countries," explained Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. "This is not my rule, it's tradition. In World War II you had Germany, Italy, and Japan in the old evil Axis. So, you can only have three, and a secret handshake. Ours is wickedly cool."
International reaction to Bush's Axis of Evil declaration was swift, as within minutes, France surrendered. Elsewhere, peer-conscious nations rushed to gain triumvirate status in what has become a game of geopolitical chairs. Cuba, Sudan and Serbia announced that they had formed the "Axis of Somewhat Evil," forcing Somalia to join with Uganda and Myanmar in the "Axis of Occasionally Evil," while Bulgaria, Indonesia and Russia established the "Axis of Not So Much Evil Really as Just Generally Disagreeable." With the criteria suddenly expanded and all the desirable clubs filling up, Sierra Leone, El Salvador, and Rwanda applied to be called the "Axis of Countries That Aren't the Worst But Certainly Won't Be Asked to Host the Olympics".
Canada, Mexico and Australia formed the "Axis of Nations That Are Actually Quite Nice But Secretly Have Some Nasty Thoughts About America", while Scotland, New Zealand and Spain established the "Axis of Countries That Want Sheep to Wear Lipstick." "That's not a threat, really, just something we like to do," said Scottish Executive First Minister Jack McConnell. (This is not Creagan's Uncle)
While wondering if the other nations of the world weren't perhaps making fun of him, a cautious Bush granted approval for most axes, although he rejected the establishment of the "Axis of Countries Whose Names End in 'Guay'", accusing one of its members of filing a false application.
Officials from Paraguay, Uruguay, and Chadguay denied the charges.
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