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explain Bose Acoustimass subwoofer to me

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somebody explain this to me:


it seems some psychotic version of an 8th order bandpass ?

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Series-ported triple-chamber bandpass....
$ 15 in puke n' wipe covered MDF, $ 4 in plastic, $ 25 amp and two $ 6 stamped frame drivers. All tolled, about $ 56 worth.... for that Acoustimess unit.



If you threw it in a woodstove, it should give you about 10 minutes worth of heat.
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Originally Posted by mgboy /forum/post/16860261


Look at it and figure it out?

i did. but i want your opinions.

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Originally Posted by ZilchLab /forum/post/16860279


Series-ported triple-chamber bandpass....

ok. and what can you tell me about such a box ?

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Originally Posted by vasyachkin /forum/post/16861707


i did. but i want your opinions.

Which is it? You didn't, or you don't?


Get whatever was stuck up your bum from childbirth out, and move on in life.
Pseudo bandpass that instead of deadening either the front or back wave it ports both thru to send it thru the outside port. Why they would do this I don't know because it seems it would give extremely limited bandwidth. The shorter interior port looks larger so it should get a different interior tune from the smaller diameter port. I imagine the exterior port is there to lessen the horrible amount of chuffing this produces.

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Originally Posted by mgboy /forum/post/16861844


Which is it? You didn't, or you don't?


Get whatever was stuck up your bum from childbirth out, and move on in life.

i won't even tell you what you should do.

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Originally Posted by mynym /forum/post/16862302


Bi-Chamber

slow down. i thought we agreed it has 3 chambers ...


not to mention that the rear chamber is not ported to the outside.

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Originally Posted by brandonnash /forum/post/16862107


Pseudo bandpass that instead of deadening either the front or back wave it ports both thru to send it thru the outside port. Why they would do this I don't know because it seems it would give extremely limited bandwidth. The shorter interior port looks larger so it should get a different interior tune from the smaller diameter port. I imagine the exterior port is there to lessen the horrible amount of chuffing this produces.

i think its a bandpass squared ...

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Originally Posted by vasyachkin /forum/post/16862374


slow down. i thought we agreed it has 3 chambers ...


not to mention that the rear chamber is not ported to the outside.

thats where the girbils live

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Originally Posted by vasyachkin /forum/post/16862374


slow down. i thought we agreed it has 3 chambers ...


not to mention that the rear chamber is not ported to the outside.

Didn't even see that third chamber. I was assuming the drivers were mounted inverted.


So it does appear as if they are using some of the principals of an ABC enclosure, achieving multiple tuning frequencies but they are filtering the passband into yet another chamber which again is ported to the outside none the less.
i think what Bose was trying to do is provide an extra degree of filtering for high frequencies and harmonics so that subwoofer is more difficult to localize.


because even with 24db/oct @ 80hz its still pretty easy to localize the sub.


i think he was trying to build an automotive muffler.


i am actually liking what he's done there.
Yep. 8th order BP.


Looks like the back chamber is the low tuned one and the middle chamber is the higher tuned. I'm assuming that they are using the 6th order 1st 2 chambers to get a broad response range with excursion reduction, filtering of unwanted noise/frequencies and a bit of increased efficiency maybe. The 3rd and final chamber common to both ports I assume is going to tune somewhere between the 2 other tunings and provide further reduction of distortion and driver noise, while perhaps boosting the efficiency even more, but maybe giving a peakier response (50hz-60hz)? I'm just guessing on some of this obviously. Looks like it is a way to get decent efficiency and output over a small range from pretty crappy drivers that would otherwise die with any sort of real bass signal, without the enclosure doing a lot of the work. (why would Bose use this complex design otherwise?
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I wouldn't mind messing around with a design like this. It may be solid if done right (probably tricky) Just imagine if you used real drivers instead? If they can get any real bass out of 5.25" stamped frame $4 speakers it might be interesting with some 8" TB's or something. Maybe use PR's instead of ports.
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Originally Posted by Ricci /forum/post/16862541


I wouldn't mind messing around with a design like this. It may be solid if done right (probably tricky) Just imagine if you used real drivers instead? If they can get any real bass out of 5.25" stamped frame $4 speakers it might be interesting with some 8" TB's or something. Maybe use PR's instead of ports.

no PRs would defeat the purpose of this box.


i think the final 3rd chamber aside from filtering harmonics also filters port chuffing and resonances in the longer internal port.


the long internal port is the one that is stressed here. it has to move the most air yet it has the lowest cross section area. also it is situated directly next to the driver and its long so it will pick up some very bad resonances. the third chamber is needed to filter the crap produces by this long port.


notice how the exterior port is the only one that is of high quality. this may be for cosmetics but most likely there is nothing downstream from it to filter any artifacts it would produce. that's why its WIDE ( to avoid chuffing ), SHORT ( to avoid midrange resonance ) and FLARED. the third final chamber has to be so huge to enable the use of such a short but wide port.


i think you should give this design a shot using something like a 10" JBL GTI woofer. but keep in mind that the exterior port is the critical component there. you would have to do it well somehow.
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now that i think about it having two ports in series with each other makes A LOT OF SENSE.


otherwise you will forever be listening to harmonics amplified by port quarter wave resonance.


since the 2 ports will have quarter wave resonances at different frequencies they will block everything when operated in series.


the short, wide and flared design of the outer port also goes a long wave towards reducing quarter wave resonance.
It has been proven quite successful in extracting money form folks that know no better. So it does have a use.
How do I know?


This is the fun one:

http://www.audioheritage.org/vbullet...highlight=4688


W10GTI does fine just by itself, actually:




Extra credit: Who's the dude with the mic?
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