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If you're looking for UHD 4K Makemkv (redfox might also apply) ripping, go here:

The process for remuxing 4K UHD Atmos tracks with 3D blu-ray video tracks is the same as it is described here.

So as we did with Gravity here https://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-networking-media-servers-content-streaming/1939705-gravity-3d-mkv-atmos-how-do.html, I'm going to attempt to create an ISO or MKV file of "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" with the 3D video track from the 3D bluray and the Dolby Atmos track from the 2D bluray. Last time I personally did the ISO version and it worked surprisingly easily; however, I believe I no longer have the DVDFab license--not to mention that, last time I checked, it was pretty difficult to use their software due to their legal troubles.

This is for creating an MKV file for playback on a 3D-capable computer or media player device like a KDLinks 720, which I have. If you don't already have a system like this capable of playing back 3D MKV (or other types), this thread is above-and-beyond what you need and I cannot help you get there. And, no I will not rip these files to a disc and send it to you nor will I send you the completed product in a stand-alone file for download. I may rip my own movies but I am anti-pirating to a near boy-scout level.

UPDATE:

Success!

I used the MKVToolNIX method. (Download page--I imagine most people will need to scroll down to "Windows" and click the link for the direct download page of the installer package.) I ripped the two MKV files initially using MakeMKV and then via MKVToolNIX selected the 3d video file and the TrueHD Atmos audio track in the "Input" tab of MKVToolNIX. Be sure to select the proper file destination on the "output" tab.

One weird thing that happened was that MKVToolNix initially named the file a ".mk3d" file, which my KDLINKS did not recognize. However changing it to ".mkv" worked just fine.

UPDATE:

Since apparently Oppos don't play 3D MKV files, you have to do a workaround. Here is a write-up from @Sevenfeet:

The Oppo 203/205s will certainly play a re-muxed .m2ts with 3D and Atmos information. I can't speak to the older 103/105 models since I don't own one. The main downside is that .m2ts files don't have built in chapter information so moving around other than just playing the movie can be a little difficult.

Here are the basics of how to do it (under Windows). I'm making the assumption that the user knows how to rip a 4K movie (and has the proper hardware to do it) in order to get the Atmos information. If you're using an Atmos-enabled 1080p disc, then any Blu Ray reader will do.

1. Extract the both movies in question with MakeMKV to respective .mkv files. Make sure you specify the 3D information track with the 3D movie since it's usually not selected by default. For the Atmos-enabled movie, just rip the TrueHD soundtrack...nothing else is necessary.

2. Using gMKVExtractGUI, drag the Atmos .MKV file into the input file and click the "Extract" button, making sure that the "Extract" field nearby is set for "Tracks" and not any other information (which isn't necessary). This app will extract the audio information to a .thd file.

3. The .thd file needs to be washed through another program called UsEac3To. This is basically a GUI front end for the Eac3To to save you from having to do a command line step here. Use the .thd file from the previous step as the input file. Select "thd+ac3" from the Track Input and Output Format pull down menu. Select the "Run CL" button. This program will return a new output file with a .thd+ac3 extension.

4. Rename the output file from "mymovie.thd+ac3" "mymovie.ac3".

5. Open TsMuxeR. Use both the 3D movie .MKV file and the .ac3 file with the Atmos track as input files. You'll see a list of all of the tracks (video and audio) for the final mux. Move the TRUEHD track up to Track #1 . Move the 3D video track to the third position (underneath the original DTS track). For output, select .m2ts muxing. Click the "Start Muxing" button.

6. Transfer the file to however you play your media (flash drive or network). Enjoy!

You can also see post #163 of this thread for more information on this portion from @zombie10k
 

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Apparently we have to do this with Lego Batman as well.

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Lego Batman also went off without a hitch. However, if you don't have the means to re-mux the 3D and Atmos, I'd say stick with the 3D version. The 3D is wall-to-wall amazing while the Atmos mix is nothing too impressive. Fantastic Beasts, on the other hand, has reference-worthy 3D and Atmos.
 

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This is some great info, javanpohl!

Why are there no posts here? This stuff is gold!

I want to make sure I save this post for when I get a larger possible 3D set in the future. :grin:
 

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So as we did with Gravity here http://www.avsforum.com/forum/39-networking-media-servers-content-streaming/1939705-gravity-3d-mkv-atmos-how-do.html, I'm going to attempt to create an ISO or MKV file of "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" with the 3D video track from the 3D bluray and the Dolby Atmos track from the 2D bluray. Last time I personally did the ISO version and it worked surprisingly easily; however, I believe I no longer have the DVDFab license--not to mention that, last time I checked, it was pretty difficult to use their software due to their legal troubles.

This is for creating an MKV file for playback on a 3D-capable computer or media player device like a KDLinks 720, which I have. If you don't already have a system like this capable of playing back 3D MKV (or other types), this thread is above-and-beyond what you need and I cannot help you get there. And, no I will not rip these files to a disc and send it to you nor will I send you the completed product in a stand-alone file for download. I may rip my own movies but I am anti-pirating to a near boy-scout level.

UPDATE:

Success!

I used the MKVToolNIX method. (Download page--I imagine most people will need to scroll down to "Windows" and click the link for the direct download page of the installer package.) I ripped the two MKV files initially using MakeMKV and then via MKVToolNIX selected the 3d video file and the TrueHD Atmos audio track in the "Input" tab of MKVToolNIX. Be sure to select the proper file destination on the "output" tab.

One weird thing that happened was that MKVToolNix initially named the file a ".mk3d" file, which my KDLINKS did not recognize. However changing it to ".mkv" worked just fine.
Thank you so much for this. I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate that you shared this. The very thing that I've griped about with movie companies. Sometimes, I prefer a movie in 3D, rather than the UHD disc and the stingy industry who think it's a sound business practice to pick their most dedicated customers pockets every time they spend some hard earned cash with them by forcing them to double dip for UHD and 3D or, the other peeve of mine not having the Atmos or DTS X track on the lesser 1080p or 3D copy of a film. I don't understand their thinking. Is the customer not deserving of the superior performance of the more resolving sound than when viewing in 4K. It's B.S. They better start thinking about us, their bread and butter or I'm going to stop buying their discs altogether. So, because of you my stress level is in the safe range. Kudos!
 
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Anyone else think AVS should, by default, subscribe you to a thread you created?--I always forget to do that. :)

Glad to hear the info is being appreciated. I'll be interested to see if we can use this method down the road in situations where only the UHD disc has the atmos mix (and where we'd actually want to see the 3D mix instead, which might not always be the case.)

I'd like to know if anyone had issues with the rip or merge of the Fantastic Beast 3D + Atmos tracks. I might need to try re-muxing or re-ripping mine. Don't know if it's my player or the file but the video starts stuttering once we see the winged creature in the briefcase.
 

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Reading the King Kong Skull island, apparently the 3D version doesnt have atmos, yet the 4k version and regular blu ray do. And i just ordered the 3D version of gravity and assummed it had Atmos since i heard it had it. I didnt know this crap was being done. This sucks!
 

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Reading the King Kong Skull island, apparently the 3D version doesnt have atmos, yet the 4k version and regular blu ray do. And i just ordered the 3D version of gravity and assummed it had Atmos since i heard it had it. I didnt know this crap was being done. This sucks!
Well.... the Skull Island situation is not the same as Gravity. What they are doing with the 3D version of Skull Island is ....appalling. Glad I didn't pre-order that one before reading what they did. Ugh.

Gravity came out with a 3D 5.1ch version first and then nearly a year later re-released in Atmos. Not exactly as big a deal but not having Atmos and 3D is still pretty annoying.

Hence this thread.
 

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You have to do this with Sony's Pixels and Goosebumps as well.

The US Kong Skull Island's 3D disc is the one from Germany as it includes a lossless German dub. It also says discs made in mexico and germany on the package. I did a scan and the Atmos track should have fit even without dropping the English DTS-MA track.
 

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You have to do this with Sony's Pixels and Goosebumps as well.

The US Kong Skull Island's 3D disc is the one from Germany as it includes a lossless German dub. It also says discs made in mexico and germany on the package. I did a scan and the Atmos track should have fit even without dropping the English DTS-MA track.
At this point, it's obvious that it's not a matter of space on the disc that's preventing them (Warner Bros) from adding the atmos track, it's a simply marketing ploy. It is indeed rather frustrating though. It's not a matter of just buying an additional copy of the movie. It's a matter of not being able to buy one that has all the features you want.

Frankly though, I wouldn't think that this is the studio's fault... they wouldn't really benefit from this situation. I'd say the ones pulling the strings are the ones that have a desire to push out a new format (UHD discs): either the a/v manufacturers or Dolby itself (as they also have heavily invested in the video, HDR side of the equation, not just the audio).
 

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Oh man, I'm going to have to attempt this one day. Thanks for this info.
 

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Best Buy has a UHD / 2D / 3D combo pack.

quick mkvmerge with the 3D video + 2D ATMOS track, no issues. Plays back fine on the Mede8ter and Zidoo X8

The 3D was great in this movie
Nice! I merged them last night but haven't watched it yet. Planning on it tonight. My mom's in town so we're gonna have to see if she handles the 3D ok with her glasses--she doesn't have contacts right now. If not we'll have to do it in 2D :(
 

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Any advice for hardware for us to rip our own UHD and Blu Rays to make conversions? I have some movies I would like to create my own 3D blu ray using the ATMOS track from the UHD ver (Pacific Rim and Dredd) but want to make sure I get the correct drive for my computer that can read UHD blu rays. I read it requires an BDXL drive, but if someone has a drive that has read every UHD they have thrown at it I would like to start there =)

Edit: Reading more on this, is it possible to get the Atmos tracks of those UHD because of current encryption?
 

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Any advice for hardware for us to rip our own UHD and Blu Rays to make conversions? I have some movies I would like to create my own 3D blu ray using the ATMOS track from the UHD ver (Pacific Rim and Dredd) but want to make sure I get the correct drive for my computer that can read UHD blu rays. I read it requires an BDXL drive, but if someone has a drive that has read every UHD they have thrown at it I would like to start there =)

Edit: Reading more on this, is it possible to get the Atmos tracks of those UHD because of current encryption?
Not sure. I haven't looked into that for a little while. We were waiting for even the capability to even rip UHD disc, much less bypass encryption or if the merging tools will even work with those files.

If you find anything concrete on it, let us know. If there's been any progress on the UHD ripping side, I'll update here.

I would definitely go through the trouble to merge the 3D Pacific Rim with its UHD Atmos track.
 

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So, what's the best media player to purchase to play the 3D MKV with Atmos or DTS X? I have both NVidia shield and Oppo 203 but I heard they can't do it right? I don't care about having HDR or 4k... just want to play the remux 3D Blu-ray with Atmos. I have searched for hours and can't come up with the best player for this.
 
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