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Hey,

I'm about to buy a new TV (LED because there are 2 very large windows at the room so Plasma is not an option).

I need at least 46'', usually for HD TV channels (few SD), Playstation 3 / Blu-ray movies.

I would like Smart-TV but I can use chromecast/raspberry pi/media pc/etc for this option if the panels without it worth it.

 

My budget is allow me one of these panels (+-)
Philips 46PFL4208
Philips 50PFL3088H
Panasonic TH-L50B6
Samsung UA46F5300 / UE46F5500
Samsung UE46F6100 (the big plus is the 3d)
 
Should I get the bigger panels (50'') and 'lose' the smart-tv built in? What other specification should I look on?
Which of these panels is recommended from your experience?
 
Would like to get some help on that..
Thanks!
 

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Additional, forgot to mention that the distance view is between 3.60-3.80 meter, is 46'' is enough for this range?

Need advice and recommendation of a panel very soon, I want to buy this week...

Thanks in advance!
 

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I would stay away from Philips. THey haven't made a quality TV in years.

The Panasonic is a IPS panel, which is great for wide angles (which shouldn't be a problem if you are sitting that far back), but has subpar picture quality.


The choice should be between the two Samsung sets.
 

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I would stay away from Philips. THey haven't made a quality TV in years.
Philips made some decent FALDs in recent years, i do not know if they are for sale outside Europe. btw Philips does not make TVs any more, only the name remains.
 

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Originally Posted by 8mile13  /t/1521854/few-led-models-a-lot-of-mess-need-a-recommendation#post_24465524


Philips made some decent FALDs in recent years, i do not know if they are for sale outside Europe. btw Philips does not make TVs any more, only the name remains.

The Philips that sold in U.S. retail were just cheap bargain sets that competed with Insignia & Westinghouse.

Didn't know they still made quality sets a few years back in Britain.
 

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Originally Posted by PsyOr  /t/1521854/few-led-models-a-lot-of-mess-need-a-recommendation#post_24462524


Hey,

I'm about to buy a new TV (LED because there are 2 very large windows at the room so Plasma is not an option).

I need at least 46'', usually for HD TV channels (few SD), Playstation 3 / Blu-ray movies.

I would like Smart-TV but I can use chromecast/raspberry pi/media pc/etc for this option if the panels without it worth it.


My budget is allow me one of these panels (+-)
Philips 46PFL4208
Philips 50PFL3088H
Panasonic TH-L50B6
Samsung UA46F5300 / UE46F5500
Samsung UE46F6100 (the big plus is the 3d)
 
Should I get the bigger panels (50'') and 'lose' the smart-tv built in? What other specification should I look on?
Which of these panels is recommended from your experience?
 
Would like to get some help on that..
Thanks!

You did not comment on your budget, but you may want to have a look at the 2014 Vizio E Series. Pretty sure they are smart, but no 3D. Full-Array-Local-Dimming backlight so contrast should be good. 48" non-smart is $500, 48" smart (I) is $570, and 50" smart is $600...
 

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Guys thanks for the comments!

 

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You did not comment on your budget, but you may want to have a look at the 2014 Vizio E Series. Pretty sure they are smart, but no 3D. Full-Array-Local-Dimming backlight so contrast should be good. 48" non-smart is $500, 48" smart (I) is $570, and 50" smart is $600...
 

We don't have this models here, I didn't mention my budget and put these models because the pricing here is different, all the panels that I've mention are between 1000$-1150$ (I know, its a way expensive then the U.S but I afraid we have no choice.. :\

 

Anyway I put all the models that in my budget, hope to get some recommendation on one of them (each have its pros and cons), I didn't found any reviews about most of them..
 

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Man I would think there are tons of people using either of those Samsungs. Wouldn't the 6100 be "better" then the 5300?
Well the 5300 have 3 HDMI ports, 2 USB and Smart-TV built in.

The 6100 is pretty 'castrated' - only 2 HDMI, 1 USB and not Smart-TV, but its have better refresh rate - 200 (instead of 100 on the 5300), also its have a 3D..
 

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TPV will ship 16.85 million LCD TVs with Philips and Vizio to be major clients, followed by Foxconn with 7.2 million units and Sony to be the major client, Compal with 4.3 million units mainly to Toshiba, Wistron with 3.6 million units mainly to Vizio, Amtran with two million units mainly to Sharp and Vizio, and Pegatron with 1.2 million units mainly to Toshiba, Digitimes Research indicated.

This article is an excerpt from a Chinese-language Digitimes Research report.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20131213PD200.html


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In March 2012 Philips announced its intention to sell, or demerge its television manufacturing operations to TPV Technology.

On 29 January 2013 it was announced that Philips had agreed to sell its audio and video operations to the Japan-based Funai Electric for €150 million, with the audio business planned to transfer to Funai in the latter half of 2013, and the video business in 2017. As part of the transaction Funai will pay a regular licensing fee to Philips for the use of the Philips brand.] The purchase agreement was terminated by Philips in October because of breach of contract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips#2001_to_2011

Prior to this recent arrangement AFAIK Phillips TV's have been outsourced by Phillips to Funai Electric, Japan and maybe Amtran in the E.U. Phillips AFAIK hasn't actually made any or at least very many TV's for some years now.


It looks like the consumer electronics (other than TV) is still with Phillips and the TV part is sold to TPV.


C net says the US model Sammie XXEH 5300/5500 has a better pix and value than the US XX EH 6000/6100 series

I'm sure those models are directly equivalent respectively to the UA46F5300 / UE46F5500 - UE46F6100 models .
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Picture quality

I was surprised to discover the F5000 actually delivers substantially deeper black levels than the more expensive UNF6300 series. On the other hand its video processing is pretty disappointing. I certainly consider deep blacks more important than flawless cadence or motion resolution, however, so the F5000 delivers a better picture overall. It's still not quite at the level of the Panasonic E60 or the Vizio E series, but still good enough to earn a 7 in this category. By David Katzmaier

read more
http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-un46f5000af/4505-6482_7-35647674-2.html

I've seen the Sammie 40EH5300/5500 they are pretty good providing they have one of the better panels. The U.S. 46 EH 5000 /5XXX or its international cousins should be the same . almost went home with one ~2 wks ago

but I could not find one with the right panel the larger Samsung sets may or may not not have panel fitment issues .


The alternate and slightly better IMO choice* for me * was a Sony Bravia KDL 40R450A which I did buy .

Looks like there is no direct equivalent 46" in your region to the LDL 40R450A but the much better 700A and 800A Sonys are listed there


The R450A was the only Sony avail in US under 50 55" at this time these are much better and in your region ofc are they available is the question . http://www.sony-mea.com/bravia-lcd-tv/range/W700A-Series/575187

http://www.sony-mea.com/bravia-lcd-tv/range/W800A-Series/575196
 

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TPV will ship 16.85 million LCD TVs with Philips and Vizio to be major clients, followed by Foxconn with 7.2 million units and Sony to be the major client, Compal with 4.3 million units mainly to Toshiba, Wistron with 3.6 million units mainly to Vizio, Amtran with two million units mainly to Sharp and Vizio, and Pegatron with 1.2 million units mainly to Toshiba, Digitimes Research indicated.

This article is an excerpt from a Chinese-language Digitimes Research report.
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20131213PD200.html


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In March 2012 Philips announced its intention to sell, or demerge its television manufacturing operations to TPV Technology.

On 29 January 2013 it was announced that Philips had agreed to sell its audio and video operations to the Japan-based Funai Electric for €150 million, with the audio business planned to transfer to Funai in the latter half of 2013, and the video business in 2017. As part of the transaction Funai will pay a regular licensing fee to Philips for the use of the Philips brand.] The purchase agreement was terminated by Philips in October because of breach of contract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philips#2001_to_2011

Prior to this recent arrangement AFAIK Phillips TV's have been outsourced by Phillips to Funai Electric, Japan and maybe Amtran in the E.U. Phillips AFAIK hasn't actually made any or at least very many TV's for some years now.


It looks like the consumer electronics (other than TV) is still with Phillips and the TV part is sold to TPV.

this is the last news on the Philips TV business_
http://www.newscenter.philips.com/main/standard/news/press/2014/20140120-Philips-to-transfer-remaining-30-percent-stake-in-television-joint-venture-TP-Vision-to-TPV.wpd#.Ux--eY2YZEY
 

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Thank's for posting that, it that makes it official now and clears up a lot of confusion and speculation.

I also read (maybe at Digitimes) that TPV is also taking the Element and Polaroid brands that were part of the Funai deal I would imagine that

they would position Phillips up market quality and feature wise from those two though .
 

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C net says the US model Sammie XXEH 5300/5500 has a better pix and value than the US XX EH 6000/6100 series

I'm sure those models are directly equivalent respectively to the UA46F5300 / UE46F5500 - UE46F6100 models .

I've seen the Sammie 40EH5300/5500 they are pretty good providing they have one of the better panels. The U.S. 46 EH 5000 /5XXX or its international cousins should be the same . almost went home with one ~2 wks ago

but I could not find one with the right panel the larger Samsung sets may or may not not have panel fitment issues .


The alternate and slightly better IMO choice* for me * was a Sony Bravia KDL 40R450A which I did buy .

Looks like there is no direct equivalent 46" in your region to the LDL 40R450A but the much better 700A and 800A Sonys are listed there


The R450A was the only Sony avail in US under 50 55" at this time these are much better and in your region ofc are they available is the question . http://www.sony-mea.com/bravia-lcd-tv/range/W700A-Series/575187

http://www.sony-mea.com/bravia-lcd-tv/range/W800A-Series/575196
Thanks for reply.

Well its pretty weird that the 6 model is worst then 5 model on samsung, the 6 should have better panel because of the 3D and 200Hz fresh rate (then 100Hz).

At my budget I can also add the Sony KDL46R473 which is 100Hz, 2 HDMI ports..

 

Before we move on - my distance from the TV would be 3.40-3.50 meters, should I got for bigger screen such 50'' (that in my budget) or 46'' will be enough? I don't want to dissapoint because the screen is 'too small' ..
 

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C net says the US model Sammie XXEH 5300/5500 has a better pix and value than the US XX EH 6000/6100 series

I'm sure those models are directly equivalent respectively to the UA46F5300 / UE46F5500 - UE46F6100 models .

I've seen the Sammie 40EH5300/5500 they are pretty good providing they have one of the better panels. The U.S. 46 EH 5000 /5XXX or its international cousins should be the same . almost went home with one ~2 wks ago

but I could not find one with the right panel the larger Samsung sets may or may not not have panel fitment issues .


The alternate and slightly better IMO choice* for me * was a Sony Bravia KDL 40R450A which I did buy .

Looks like there is no direct equivalent 46" in your region to the LDL 40R450A but the much better 700A and 800A Sonys are listed there

 
Thanks for your reply!

Pretty weird the 6 Models are worst/same as 5 models on samsung panels. The 6XXX have 200Hz fresh rate instead of 100Hz and have 3D which need a better panel as far as I know.

 

At my budget I can also add the Sony KDL46R473 which is 100Hz FR and only 2 HDMI. seems pretty standart tv (no smart etc), but don't know how the screen quality..

 

Anyway, before we move on - my distance from tv will be 3.40-3.50 meters, should I go with 50'' or the 46'' will be enough? I don't want to get dissapointed because it will be "too small" ...

 

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I don't know how to delete a post, I thougt it didn't post so I wrote again...
 

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My viewing distance is 2.40 meter on a 46'' (thats about right). My advise would be to get a 50''. It might be to big at first but you will grow into it. My next TVs will be 50'' minimum.


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The KDL46R473 Sony is supposed to be pretty good. ofc a 50" is good at 3.5M but so is a 46" I bought a 32" Toshiba for my bedroom ( great picture ) in Feb 13 and just replaced it with the 40" Sony I , will see how long this lasts .



They wont let us delete posts entirely . I just use the edit function /highlight the text and backspace that removes the text then write " removed" in there and post that , you can do that at any time even a week later .
 

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My viewing distance is 2.40 meter on a 46'' (thats about right). My advise would be to get a 50''. It might be to big at first but you will grow into it. My next TVs will be 50'' minimum.

 
 

There is a formula to calculation the recommended distance? I know I have to concider the veiwing angel as well, also  - what height I should put to the TV? (any calculate for that?)

Will I notice a big difference betweern 46'' and 50''? is it 'critical'?

 
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The KDL46R473 Sony is supposed to be pretty good. ofc a 50" is good at 3.5M but so is a 46" I bought a 32" Toshiba for my bedroom ( great picture ) in Feb 13 and just replaced it with the 40" Sony I , will see how long this lasts .
Yeah seems like a decent but after all its pretty simple without any addition (like smart / 3d / ...) that I can get on the same price with other brand/panel ... but its sony. 

Don't know, I got confused and there are not many tvs ;\
 

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There is a formula to calculation the recommended distance? I know I have to concider the veiwing angel as well, also  - what height I should put to the TV? (any calculate for that?)

Will I notice a big difference betweern 46'' and 50''? is it 'critical'?

just google and you will find some recommended flatscreen distance but those are not always realistic.


Basically you should sit as close as possible because otherwise you will lose detail. For instance there might be a faint glowing lamppost in a scene. You will see that detail from 2.40 meter but when you sit 2.60 meter that detail might be gone.


When you sit to close might be unpleasant because of lots of imperfections you might see (in motion etc..). So you should find the right distance between to close and to far away.


There is not much difference between 46'' and 50'' but you should go as big as you can handle..

 
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