[Grant Smyth]

Let me preface the following comments with this!!! I am not prepared to get into an argument over the merits of what I am about to pass on to you- enough has been said!


I received an email from Shawn (I am not sure when it arrived since my email server has been gummed up for the last couple of days). Shawn acknowledged his meeting with Jeff. I wish to thank Jeff for his time and effort on our behalf.


To get to the point I will say this - to get the Panamorph out the door to each of us will cost an additional $362.00 U.S. For me it is about $550.00 Canadian. Please take your tantrum somewhere else! I for one am prepared to accept Shawn's arrangement - he has stated that this amount will be refunded by June 1, 2001 (deadlines no longer mean much to me) or you can choose an upgrade for your Panamorph instead, at no extra cost.


I am prepared to accept his explanation about cost overruns due to changes in materials (plastic to aluminum) at face value. I do not wish this thread to deteriorate into more accusations etc. If it does I will request that it be pulled!


We now have some information and I suggest we accept this as a positive advance. We need to organize the pre-buy members and discover how many are willing to accept a compromise to make this thing happen. Perhaps Jeff, who is physically close to Shawn's location will help out here, if time permits (I know he has other things on his mind right now!).


Let's keep this positive.


Cheers,


Grant

 

[arrow]

Far be it for me to tell you what to do with your money. But I strongly advise no one send Shawn Kelly $362.


The arrangement should be $362 on delivery of the lens. Then I would gladly participate. Otherwise not a dime from me.


--Les

 

[nstom]

I would be willing to ante up another $362 - COD only, though - @ $900 + $362 it still seems a bargain - IF it materializes, that is.


Tom

 

[DanHouck]

I'm going to pursue a charge back, unless someone wants to take my $868 pre-buy position off my hands for what it cost me. Not interested in spending $362 more when you can buy an Isco for less than a grand.


Second Les's strong recommendation that any of you who go for this insist on COD. And open and inspect the lens before you hand over the money.


"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."


Dan

 

[Jonmx]

Quote:

Originally posted by DanHouck I'm going to pursue a charge back, unless someone wants to take my $868 pre-buy position off my hands for what it cost me. Not interested in spending $362 more when you can buy an Isco for less than a grand.

I would take it, but I have dumped too much money into H-T stuff lately and business has slowed.

 

[Alan Choi]

Count me in on the COD option.


Alan Choi

 

[Chris Satterlee]

My initial reaction to this new proposal was "no way", but after some more thought, I've decided that it is better than the alternatives, under the following conditions:


-->> COD only. There's no chance that I would pay anything more without having a Panamorph in my hands first.


-->> Payment made only after a physical inpection. I don't want to pay, and then open up a box of broken glass, or prisms leaking oil. I don't really know how COD works, but this had better be possible or else there is a problem.


-->> Shipped along with the lens is a legally binding rebate certificate. It needs to be written such that we are guaranteed to be paid the rebate unless ViSR (or Cygnus? or Shawn?) has declared bankruptcy, in which case we are creditors. Hopefully one of the attorneys in the crowd will be able to OK (or even better, draft) such a rebate certificate. I'm certainly not comfortable with a word of mouth "promise" that we will get our $362 back.


In other words, I am willing to put up the $362 and risk losing it. But I want to make sure that the only scenario in which I would lose it is a declared bankruptcy scenario.


- Chris

 

[MrWigggles]

Chris,


I agree 100%. Not 95%, but 100%


-Mr. Wigggles

 

[smitty]

You know, I think we're making progress, but I have one minor suggestion. Instead of COD, how about Shawn sends us the lenses and then we mail him our checks after we receive the lens.

 

[JohnMP]

Grant as a first prebuy count me in. That is $700 Australian btw I wish we had your exchange rate


edit by me! Can't even spell Australian.

 

[Carey P]

If it must be, I'll go with what Chris suggested. COD will work, as long as I have the lens in my hands before I pay the extra money.


Carey

 

[xiaoyu]

Hi Grant,


Thank you for your time. I am confused for couple thing that you stated on your post:

1. "June 1, 2001" (refund)?

2. "upgrade", upgrade for what?


Xiaoyu,

 

[Grant Smyth]

Xiaoyu: You're right! June 1, 2001 should be June 1, 2002.

Upgrade means the pro model - more positioning flexibility in order for the lens to be easier to use with an off axis projector.


I think we need a very positive response (numbers wise) for this thing to work. I will email Shawn with some suggestions about how to get this thing off the ground.


Cheers,


Grant

 

[adaseng]

grant,


what about the p2 (2.35) lense pre-ordered?!!!!!!!


did he mentioned anything about this.

 

[J.F]

Escrow! as was pointed out in other thread is a good idea.


I am prepared to pay the extra fee for their services, thats for sure. You can check the lesn out and if it is ok, they release the founds to the seller.


I sortof forgot this option exists eventhou I used Tradenable.com a few times to get/sell something from ebay. Worked every time and worked great!


For international customers this is the only way I think, COD won't work. And I also think you can not check/open the package before you pay it if COD is used, at least it is like this in our country.

 

[Grant Smyth]

Adaseng:


From Jeff's report I take it that it will cost an additional $550.00 U.S. to get your 2.35 lens and all the original Panamorph pre-buy orders will be filled first!


A compromise is just that - a compromise. Something is better than nothing! Let's take what we can get. If we don't get the rebate or upgrade June 1, 2002 then I am sure Shawn will hear about it! This is the best solution I could think of to break the gridlock. The details will get worked out.


Cheers,


Grant

 

[kodell]

I would be willing to go for the $362 escrow/c.o.d. option.


Getting a refund from my credit card vendor doesn't look too promising, so the original $868 I paid is a "sunk" cost. It doesn't make sense to include this in any further calculations ... the only choices are a possible lens for $362 or a sure nothing for $0.

 

[rlsmith]

kodell,


Can I ask why getting a refund from your credit card does not look promising?


I have had no trouble getting a refund (last year when I bought 2 PS 2's from a web retailer who didn't deliver). It took a little while but was smooth.


It is my understanding that the bank for the vendor (in this case Cygnus) ends up being responsible; when the vendor is having a lot of problems, convincing them turns out to be easy.


I would imagine that Cygnus' bank has a lot of information about Cygnus by this time.

 

[michael goldman]

I'll go along, if the guarantee of ensuring one has a defect free product is fulfilled before more money changes hands.

 

[vmixer]

As a pre-buy participant, I just wanted to say that I would be willing to pay the extra $362.00 to get my lens. I would prefer to pay COD.


Thanks,

--Geoff