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I have been reading these threads like crazy the last couple weeks trying to research what will work best for me. I have a basement with little light. It is 12 feet wide by 30 feet long so I feel I have plenty of room. My ceiling is about 9 feet tall. I am looking at a 720 model because the main use will be movies and ps3 video games with sports on HDTV on the weekends. I am looking to keep my budget under 1000 bucks.


Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I am still learning all the basics. I was looking at the HC1600 or the Epson Powerlite 720, but am open to any other thoughts. Would like to get this up and running come college football season. Thanks again for any help.
 

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Here is picture of a Epson 810 which is the same as the Epson 720, in a 12 x 30 room with 9 foot ceilings, on a 150inch screen. So my vote is for the Epson 720 as its bright and has flexible placement and a great warranty.
 

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Trying to stay under or right at $1000 and with some suggestions should I go Panasonic logo PT-AX200U Projector or the Epson Home Cinema 720?

It's a toss up between these two IMO. Both are very bright, the Epson a little sharper, the AX200 does display 1080/24fp(not a huge deal), both are very flexible placement wise. The Epson does have a bit of an advantage in deeper blacks, but it needs more work(calibration) to get the better image. There is a great thread here for the 720 though, so you can just use others' posted calibrations. Colors are vivid on both machines, not much difference there.


In the end, I bought an Epson, a large part due to the many reports here of issues with the Panasonic and basically none with the Epson.


Hope this helps
 

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good thread, bookmarked


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Not to hijack, but which HD projector generally has the cheapest replacement bulbs/lamps? I've researched a few of the pj's mentioned here and there, but I've found most bulbs to be in the $300 range? It's hard for me to justify paying $600-$700 for a pj only to have to replace the bulb in a few years at half the cost of the entire pj.


Is that pretty much the norm?


Thanks.
 

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good thread, bookmarked


**EDIT**


Not to hijack, but which HD projector generally has the cheapest replacement bulbs/lamps? I've researched a few of the pj's mentioned here and there, but I've found most bulbs to be in the $300 range? It's hard for me to justify paying $600-$700 for a pj only to have to replace the bulb in a few years at half the cost of the entire pj.


Is that pretty much the norm?



Thanks.

Yup. There are a few that cost under $300, but not by a lot usually. Sometimes you can find better deals online at an auction site or something, but they generally run from $250-$400 retail. Just remember that for $600-$700 you are getting a picture upto or larger than 4x the size of a 50+ inch LCD flat panel that costs way more.


These very good 720p DLPs nowadays in the $500-$800 range were what would cost you $2,000-$3,000+ a few years ago. I seen a $4,500 DLP from a few years back go for $500 on ebay.


I was hear since the Infocus X1 days, that 4:3 800x600p projector got me into the whole projector craze back when it was a $1,000. The huge image shook my world and I've been with front projection ever since. A bit after 2 years of owning it I upgraded to a far superior 720p HD unit (and one of the best 720p DLPs ever made; the Sharp DT-500) even cheaper than it for $240 less at $760, when not long before I owned it I saw it for nearly $3,000 and the super high quality HD was out of my reach and I thought it would be for a very long time.


You are getting a great deal at these prices. A 100" TV not that long ago cost upwards to $100,000. When I had my apartment I had a 12 foot wide image that made that 100" image look tiny. All for under a grand, including the surround sound system.


In a few years you can simply replace the whole projector with a better one at a much better price. Forget buying a new lamp after a few years. In a few years a much superior 1080p will be at the same price most likely. Simply sell your pj and use it to help fund the newer better model. That's what I do.


The projection market drops far more than the TV market. I've seen $4,500 projectors plummet to $500 street price in the matter of 3-4 years. Every year there is a ton of competition with manufacturers fighting to come up with the latest and greatest; higher resolution, higher contrast, new features, etc, which only pushes other great previous models down in price more and more. So, get in and then get out with something better later on down the road I say.


Front projection gives you an experience these small tvs cannot compare to. Eventually though, in a few years you'll be able to upgrade to an LED based or laser based projector that won't require lamp purchase, so enjoy front projection while you can today and upgrade later.
 

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Ya know, rainbows were never bothersome to me on my 2x speed X1, and not a single person ever mentioned seeing a rainbow. I find it so strange that some people here are so affected by them here on these forums, but no one I've met in person.


I have seen rainbows just as much on my Sharp DT-500 5x speed and 4x 4805 as my 2x Infocus X1 and that is very very rarely and it only occurs for a nano second if I dart my eyes quickly from one place to another. It makes me wonder if people who see them dart their eyes to other parts of the image too much and/or don't give enough time for them to go away (which I've heard they have for some people).


Anyway, not suggesting get a 2x speed wheel, but in reality most people are unaffected by even a 2x speed wheel. I don't know what the percentage is, but for me here it's been 100% unaffected back when I had my 2x Infocus X1. So, I wouldn't say it's unwatchable at all, except to a very small portion of people.


Get a higher speed color wheel just in case, but in most cases no one will notice or care about rainbows even with a 2x. Most 4x projectors are better overall anyway, so stick with that or higher.
 

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Yup. There are a few that cost under $300, but not by a lot usually. Sometimes you can find better deals online at an auction site or something, but they generally run from $250-$400 retail. Just remember that for $600-$700 you are getting a picture upto or larger than 4x the size of a 50+ inch LCD flat panel that costs way more.


These very good 720p DLPs nowadays in the $500-$800 range were what would cost you $2,000-$3,000+ a few years ago. I seen a $4,500 DLP from a few years back go for $500 on ebay.


I was hear since the Infocus X1 days, that 4:3 800x600p projector got me into the whole projector craze back when it was a $1,000. The huge image shook my world and I've been with front projection ever since. A bit after 2 years of owning it I upgraded to a far superior 720p HD unit (and one of the best 720p DLPs ever made; the Sharp DT-500) even cheaper than it for $240 less at $760, when not long before I owned it I saw it for nearly $3,000 and the super high quality HD was out of my reach and I thought it would be for a very long time.


You are getting a great deal at these prices. A 100" TV not that long ago cost upwards to $100,000. When I had my apartment I had a 12 foot wide image that made that 100" image look tiny. All for under a grand, including the surround sound system.


In a few years you can simply replace the whole projector with a better one at a much better price. Forget buying a new lamp after a few years. In a few years a much superior 1080p will be at the same price most likely. Simply sell your pj and use it to help fund the newer better model. That's what I do.


The projection market drops far more than the TV market. I've seen $4,500 projectors plummet to $500 street price in the matter of 3-4 years. Every year there is a ton of competition with manufacturers fighting to come up with the latest and greatest; higher resolution, higher contrast, new features, etc, which only pushes other great previous models down in price more and more. So, get in and then get out with something better later on down the road I say.


Front projection gives you an experience these small tvs cannot compare to. Eventually though, in a few years you'll be able to upgrade to an LED based or laser based projector that won't require lamp purchase, so enjoy front projection while you can today and upgrade later.

Great advice, and great post. I think you just talked me into a FP!
 

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Ya know, rainbows were never bothersome to me on my 2x speed X1, and not a single person ever mentioned seeing a rainbow. I find it so strange that some people here are so affected by them here on these forums, but no one I've met in person.


Hey MTyson! Are you a boxer? Large or intimidating? Maybe everyone is afraid to tell you in person.


:OP


Just kidding. Went to see an X1 when they came out and I saw rainbows, and my son could not stand looking at the screen for more than a few seconds at a time. I said no to DLP and have never looked back. It depends on each persons own sensitivity and whether or not they are planning for themselves or entertaining. I don't want to use any technology that a certain percentage of my audience might not like.


At some point I will try looking at projectors with higher speed color wheels to see what happpens, but I have been so happy with LCD it hasn't been important.


Again, to each his own.
 

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Hey MTyson! Are you a boxer? Large or intimidating? Maybe everyone is afraid to tell you in person.


:OP


Just kidding. Went to see an X1 when they came out and I saw rainbows, and my son could not stand looking at the screen for more than a few seconds at a time. I said no to DLP and have never looked back. It depends on each persons own sensitivity and whether or not they are planning for themselves or entertaining. I don't want to use any technology that a certain percentage of my audience might not like.


At some point I will try looking at projectors with higher speed color wheels to see what happpens, but I have been so happy with LCD it hasn't been important.

Again, to each his own.


The HD65 made me nauseous after just 15 min or so, rainbows were everywhere. Supposedly it has a 3x color wheel but they market it as a 4x. I bought an HD200x which is 4x and saw them but the flashes were less pronounced and I could block them out after a while, no nausea. I would be satisfied with a 5x I think. For those that think RBE is a joke, both my wife and mother could see them right away on the HD65 and also while watching Sin City on the Hd200x. They both found it bothersome enough on the HD65 that they couldn't watch the movie.


Bottom line, if you can't see them on the HD65 then you're likely not susceptible.
 

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Hey MTyson! Are you a boxer? Large or intimidating? Maybe everyone is afraid to tell you in person.


:OP


Just kidding. Went to see an X1 when they came out and I saw rainbows, and my son could not stand looking at the screen for more than a few seconds at a time. I said no to DLP and have never looked back. It depends on each persons own sensitivity and whether or not they are planning for themselves or entertaining. I don't want to use any technology that a certain percentage of my audience might not like.


At some point I will try looking at projectors with higher speed color wheels to see what happpens, but I have been so happy with LCD it hasn't been important.


Again, to each his own.

I'm neither large, nor intimidating. lol. At least I don't think I'm intimidating.
I have done some boxing though and it's my favorite sport.



Give DLP another look. It's awesome nowadays. Hopefully you won't see rainbows. I've heard they can go away with time, but daring your eyes definitely won't help. I'd recommend something like Sharp DT-510. It has a 5x wheel, I believe.
 

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I'm neither large, nor intimidating. lol. At least I don't think I'm intimidating.
I have done some boxing though and it's my favorite sport.



Give DLP another look. It's awesome nowadays. Hopefully you won't see rainbows. I've heard they can go away with time, but daring your eyes definitely won't help. I'd recommend something like Sharp DT-510. It has a 5x wheel, I believe.

Don't get me wrong, I absolutely loved the color presentation of DLP, but some people just can't view this technology comfortably!
3 of the 8 people that watched the 1 and only movie watched on the hc1600 saw rainbows and two of us couldn't watch more than five minutes.


The whole purpose of having a theater in my house is to watch movies larger than any tv I can purchase. Sitting close to a large screen REQUIRES rapid eye movement in action movies which brings on the flood of rainbows and so on.


You are very fortunate they do not discract you much because I admit I would have DLP instead of my LCD proj if not for my susceptability to rainbows.
 
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