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I being retired have had a lot more time to fiddle with controls to get the absolutely best picture from Vhs tapes.



Here is what I did:

Using remote control purple buttons put the warmth on normal


1. Move your Contrast over to the end position on 'left'.


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3. Move Color to the 'right' of center.


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4. Move your Tint to 'left' of center.


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5. Move you black level to the 'left' of center.


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6. Move your Sharpness all the way over to the 'left' of center.


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7. Never use the 4:3 mode. Always use the full, not fill mode. Set to Opaque.


In using the 4:3 with the silver or grey side bars too much, will burn an image into your set, but not in full or fill mode.


I have read that manual cover to cover several times. Since June 10th when it arrived, I have had 20 times as many vhs movies or concerts on during the morning, afternoon or evening, then DVDs. To try to get the best preference for all the tapes I own (700+)

plus 350 DVD Discs=1050+


At last resort I started a topic does any Vcr have component output when told NO. I then started mapping of results, for you all to try with your own F38310


Tweaking the F38310 on each of the S-Video or composite best view settings, once you set the controls, they don't change, as long as you keep the 'same' devices hooked up!



The DVD in component input acted the same way, once you set the controls to your optimum viewing pleasure, they remained in syncronization.



The secret of getting best view is in trial and error. Not giving up no matter how many hours you 'fiddle' with the controls! Don't be afraid of destroying those purple buttons, I hit them as many as 50 times an hour, per hour of either watching VHS movies or concerts!



Change the purple button in one increment to the left or right, I put in the 'time' I had to. Trying to get the 'best' possible view I have ever seen, since 1983 and my Sanyo betamax vcr!


I have done the work, please try my settings with a Vhs VCR and a pre-recorded tape. See if you too don't see a better than you would ever hope to view using a plain composite video input.



A S-Video input was not used, I was too lazy, to get my JVC S-Video E.T. out of the closet.



Please post any comments here, we need to start a club, The high def F38310 Direct view association. Dues are you have to buy a F38310

set to belong. No pass words you need to have to have a unusual hug and/or hand shake to become a life member of your sets life time to self destruct.



Should you be caught or killed the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions and say that you never existed. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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[This message has been edited by hob (edited 07-30-2001).]
 

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I can't believe it not one response. I spent all that time getting this just right for would be or actual owners to veritfy my findings. Isn'that what seperates a 'troll' from an honest poster?


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What does it take big headlines that lead you to a common posted thread over and over. Do I have make my opening topic a lie to get your attention?


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Come on I deserve a few response on all the work that this retired man has done. Won't anyone try out my finding on their F38310 and give me their opinion on what they got after setting my preferences to theirs?


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Sorry Hob, my F38310 hasn't arrived yet. I ordered it about two months ago! I'm suppose to get a call in the morning to see if they've located it. Oh well, guess this is my initiation into the club!


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BTW if can change title of topic to F38310 future proof upgrade...you'll get more responses--hehehehe!!!


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I was just wondering if there was a VCR with a component output, I figured there probably wasn't. Anyways what makes the RCA F38310 stand out over other VCRs?
 

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heheheheh jonmx,


The F38310 is an hdtv, not vcr.


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I do not presently own an F38310; however, I am looking at them (actually the Proscan 38000 which I understand is technically identical.

I am interested in buying an HDTV or HDTV ready set that in addition to HDTV will ply regular OTA NTSC and VHS signals. Of the sets I have looked at the 38000 is one of the better ones with respect to playing VHS. Next time I go to the store I will try your recommended settings.

Another user has reported along the same lines in a different group (can't remember the name of it)

Thank you for posting the results of your efforts.

I have also tried the Proscan PS36810 (equivalent to the RCA 36310)with a SVHS VCR on a regular commercial VHS tape and got encouraging results. The same tv set with a regular VHS vcr and tape plus an DVDO Plus double liner gave the best performance I have seen on an HDTV set.

I want to try SVHS and DVDO next. If interested I will report since your tv set may react similarly.

If any one has had a good experience playing VHS on a HDTV (direct view) pls. post tv make and model, set up used and comments on results.

Hob pls try
 

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Quite frankly, as this is the HDTV Forum, little, if any interest exists in VHS quality trials. At the low end of usage is cable/satellite, then comes DVD. VHS is rarely mentioned.


Most AVS members rely on either the Video Essentials or AVIA DVD's for self calibration.


To really get top HDTV monitor performance, call in an IFS specialist, which starts at around $500 (and goes up from there) for a basic calibration.


The reason for this, is that to properly calibrate an HDTV, you need specialized instruments and some degree of higher training. There are exceptions to this, but in general, it's very hard to get it right without the right hardware & experience.


It's all a matter of degree, but you will find at AVS we place a high emphasis on getting the most out of your investment, and that requires a bit more than just honest effort. We are fortunate to have members from the TV industry (engineers, production, broadcasters) who have helped us raise the bar in this and many other areas.


As a starting point, try a search for "calibrate", "AVIA", and "Video Essentials".


Thanks for participating & good hunting.




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Ken H That is what I am trying to tell you the co-manager of the shop I bought the HDTV off of went to digital school to learn how to calibrate high def TVs besides regular TVs as he has years and years of experience.


This is fully calibrated by that co-owner. He passed his courses, mine was the first he ever had to sell a Parkway Appliances so he really did a job on it. He worked with it until he had mastered it. Then one day after he was done I bought the fully calibrated floor model.


He called me today to ask if he could come over and see how things were working, he just now got another set in. He asked me a lot of questions and answered mine.

He said the F38310 is one of the hardest to get in as everybody who has seen it wants it.



The dealers can't keep them in stock, they are selling like hot pancakes. He said Thomson Brothers had released this model last year prematurely. They got all of the bugs out of it and now they have a winner on their hands.


That's why I have such beautiful

almost digital upconversions, that and his special Digital skills at getting the set fully calibrated.

He will do the same for every F38310 before it leaves for the new owners as a added bonus.



He was thrilled at my putting the time in to even getting vhs vcr pre-recorded movies to show a no scanning line picture. He said if I wasn't retired he would hire me and teach me what he was taught. He said I had what it takes to be a professional like he was.



For a retired man in the new digital age he said I deserved a proper congratulations on my own tweaking to get the pictures I showed him I had. He was really

surprised to see such a clear vhs movie in the full mode. Ken I showed him what webtv looked like, then the DVD that was in the component input.



He said there is no noticable differnce and took notes of just what I did for future reference, to sell more of the same model. I felt like a student of a great doctor saying, you did the best job I have ever seen a retiree do. I even showed how the picture was from the rebate RC6000P Dvd progressive scan only it was in a s-video input.



Ken that man left my place impressed on just what a retiree

could actually do on his own besides Waynes professional job for his customers to see what the model is truly capable of. I am a stubborn old irishman, I stick to what I want to get done, and do everything possible for it to shine like a new cars paint job.



Only we are talking of different electronic devices working as best as I and Wayne could get out of its potential. Ken what a feeling I felt being told what he said how

he would have liked me to work with him at his shop.


Two RCA shops combined the co-owners names are Joe an Wayne, My mother bought a TV at Joes shop 23 years ago. My sister an brother in law always bought their TV sets off of Waynes shop now Joe and Wayne are in one business for the last 3 years.


That allowed Wayne to go to Digital School besides his many years as a owner and repairman.

Between them they now have a big showroom on a major US highway and people in town and across the river in PA. where I live. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


I will not need any processor to get the best picture. Wayne said I was right once you stop the controls of contrast and the others. They stay locked in your preference until you would add or change a device. He was impressed with my surround sound headphone syatem also. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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Hob,I don't even have a vcr hooked up to my 38310.All my old tvs now have the old vcrs lol.Anyway i was wonder if you could share with me your settings for watching a dvd?


Ken,where can i get one of these Video Essentials or AVIA dvds,and which one would you recommend?
 

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denhdtv I guess you did't read the first topic post, just back up on this thread to the beginning. I have it all mapped out ready for all to see how they too can get a clear picture, from composite in Vhs tapes. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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Hob,I didn't ask about vhs tapes.I was wondering how you have it set for progressive scan dvd(if you have one that is)using the component inputs on the tv.
 

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Denhdtv When I first got the rebate RCA RC600P progressive scan DVD I had it in the factory pre-sets. I had a non interlaced Sony changer in the components.


When I put the PScan in the component I got the same picture. So I moved PScan to a S-Video input still on factory presets. An almost digital no scan line picture. http://www.avsforum.com/ubb/smile.gif


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hob,


Two questions, where did your dealer get his training, and what equipment did he use for color balancing?


denhdtv,


As a starting point, try a search for "calibrate", "AVIA", and "Video Essentials". There are topics on how to buy & rent these DVD's.




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Hob, will you try your tapes on your SVHS through the S connection and report?

Ken H:

The ability of an HDTV set in handling tapes is, in mho, the acid test of the set's ability to handle NTSC signals altogether. Considering that in many areas HDTV is still almost totally absent and NTSC in its many forms is still the norm (and probably so for many years to come), I think this is a worthy effort unless HDTV is used exclusively to handle HD signals. In other words, if a tv/setup does VHS well (very rare event in my experience) then it will most likely do well with the rest of the NTSC spectrum: analog/digital cable, satellite, LSD, DVD etc. In addition, playing tapes is an easy set up for the stores and the results are pretty reproducible which helps to compare apples to apples as much as possible. Is there anything wrong with this logic/approach?? What in your opinion is this forum members experience in regards to NTSC quality on HDTV sets? I have been reading various components of the AVS and I am still wandering if good NTSC reproduction can be achieved and how.
 

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I'm not trying to verify anything, except that you are getting the most out of your set. Even TV repairmen with 20 years experience are not necessarily capable of doing that. As a matter of fact, it's been discussed here over & over that most TV repairmen are not aware of or concerned about how to properly calibrate a set. As long as it works, that's all folks.


99%+ of consumer sets require some kind of service menu adjustment to get a 6500K color temperature, which is critical for the correct image. Ask the TV repairman to do this & either they don't know how or insist those adjustments are for the factory only.


Check this out for more details: http://www.imagingscience.com/


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"hob ... I have no experience with it, but I know Samsung has a combination VCR/DVD player that

does have component output. I'm not sure if it works for the VCR and DVD player, just for the

DVD portion of the unit."



I have come across this unit at a store a few days ago and the component connection applies only to the DVD part; the VHS output is simply composite.
 

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Is there anything wrong with this logic/approach?? What in your opinion is this forum members experience in regards to NTSC quality on HDTV sets? I have been reading various components of the AVS and I am still wandering if good NTSC reproduction can be achieved and how.
One of the issues is that NTSC is a different scan rate (15.75 kHz) than HDTV (~33 kHz) and requires different convergence & image size settings. To do it right, a test source (patterns of resolution, linearity, color) with the same H & V output as the input you plan on using it with, is necessary.


To set up for HDTV using an VHS programming source serves a very limited purpose, if any. You would be better off eye-balling it using standard HDTV program material.


Again, the best self calibration method is to use the Video Essentials or AVIA test DVD. To improve on that, an electronic color measurement tool & ISF trained technician is required, unless you have access to a TV broadcast engineer, who would use even more expensive equipment (scope, color meter) & have more education & experience.



NTSC and HD are two different animals. Most HD displays are big, and capable of resolving greater image detail. In general, this makes NTSC look worse than ever. One of the criteria I use for recommending HDTV's to others, is to get a set that has different preset image settings that correspond to the set's different inputs. Or, different image presets that can be selected at will. Then you can do set ups for all your sources on different presets and optimize the image for each type of input, digital (DVD/HD) and analog (OTA/cable/sat), etc.


Many AVS members have an outboard line doubler for NTSC sources. Many are satisfied with the image processing standard on most HDTV Monitors. Either way, you can only do so much with NTSC. The source is the determining factor, which is one of the reasons why I have a 13' antenna on my roof. The image quality from my local analog TV stations is great, compared to cable or local-into-local service from the sat providers. With the antenna, rotor, antenna preamp, and a ghost reduction NTSC tuner, the video processing in my HDTV Monitor makes NTSC very watchable. But it ain't easy. Thus, the benefit of DTV becomes apparent.



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