I game all the time on my dlp mitsu hc 1500. Thing is sick! You might get some more clarity for FPS long range shots with an LCD tv, but have some friends over and see what they prefer. I guarantee you it won't be the tv
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The only disadvantage I can think of is that every time I play on a front projector I'm so amazed at the whole experience, that I can't really concentrate during multiplayer games and tend to get worser results
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You didn't quote the rest of that paragraph from my post:
"because it has a Smooth Screen feature that is meant to eliminate screen door effect if you sit up close. It does work as advertised (and I think it's beneficial in a 720p projector), but the side effect is very slight blurrification."
Other projectors are slightly more 'crystal clear', because they do not have this Smooth Screen feature that my Panasonic PT-AX200U has. However, the drawback with many other 720p LCD projectors is quite obvious screen door effect if you sit relatively close to the screen. A seating distance of 1.8X screen width is not a problem, but it is a problem with some 720p projectors at say 1.2X screen width. I happen to sit at 1.2X screen width.
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That image illustrates what defocusing does, and Smooth Screen is a method of doing that. However, it seems to me that Smooth Screen's method (whatever that is) works better than simply turning the focusing knob on other projectors, although I must admit that my experience with other projectors isn't extensive.
The other drawback of some other projectors is no gaming mode. For most people, the inherent lag of video processing isn't a big deal, but the hardcore gamers sometimes complain about it. They complain much less about the PT-AX200U because the gaming mode reduces video processing to reduce lag, and it also increases brightness to compensate for ambient room light. A lot of gamers don't like gaming in complete darkness, but you often need a very bright projector to game with some ambient light.
You didn't quote the rest of that paragraph from my post:
"because it has a Smooth Screen feature that is meant to eliminate screen door effect if you sit up close. It does work as advertised (and I think it's beneficial in a 720p projector), but the side effect is very slight blurrification."
Other projectors are slightly more 'crystal clear', because they do not have this Smooth Screen feature that my Panasonic PT-AX200U has. However, the drawback with many other 720p LCD projectors is quite obvious screen door effect if you sit relatively close to the screen. A seating distance of 1.8X screen width is not a problem, but it is a problem with some 720p projectors at say 1.2X screen width. I happen to sit at 1.2X screen width.
That image illustrates what defocusing does, and Smooth Screen is a method of doing that. However, it seems to me that Smooth Screen's method (whatever that is) works better than simply turning the focusing knob on other projectors, although I must admit that my experience with other projectors isn't extensive.
The other drawback of some other projectors is no gaming mode. For most people, the inherent lag of video processing isn't a big deal, but the hardcore gamers sometimes complain about it. They complain much less about the PT-AX200U because the gaming mode reduces video processing to reduce lag, and it also increases brightness to compensate for ambient room light. A lot of gamers don't like gaming in complete darkness, but you often need a very bright projector to game with some ambient light.
Actually, I doubt it. Remember, an LCD projector has a tiny, tiny LCD in it. By comparison, the pixels in an LCD TV are huge. If somehow you could manage to blow up a 42" LCD to 106", IMO the image would probably be sharper. Too bad the lens would probably cost a million bux.
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1) I agree, lag is very person dependent. Some projectors are better than others, and some people are more sensitive than others. I don't find the Panasonic PT-AX200U to be laggy in normal modes compared to average, but the gaming mode reduces lag even further.
2) The same goes for screen door effect. Some projectors are worse than others, and some people are more sensitive to it than others. For me however, screen door effect drives me up the wall.
3) The same goes for ambient light. It is more problematic with some projectors and some people.
Thus, for a gaming geek buying front projection specifically to spend a LOT of time gaming on it, I would advise him or her to seriously consider a gaming projector.
Actually, I doubt it. Remember, an LCD projector has a tiny, tiny LCD in it. By comparison, the pixels in an LCD TV are huge. If somehow you could manage to blow up a 42" LCD to 106", IMO the image would probably be sharper. Too bad the lens would probably cost a million bux.
1) I agree, lag is very person dependent. Some projectors are better than others, and some people are more sensitive than others. I don't find the Panasonic PT-AX200U to be laggy in normal modes compared to average, but the gaming mode reduces lag even further.
2) The same goes for screen door effect. Some projectors are worse than others, and some people are more sensitive to it than others. For me however, screen door effect drives me up the wall.
3) The same goes for ambient light. It is more problematic with some projectors and some people.
Thus, for a gaming geek buying front projection specifically to spend a LOT of time gaming on it, I would advise him or her to seriously consider a gaming projector.
It would be more blurry. The larger surface area of the larger lcd would make for non-uniform focus. That is the reason they started using the smallest panels they could in projectors, as it allowed the whole panel to be in focus.
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Actually, I doubt it. Remember, an LCD projector has a tiny, tiny LCD in it. By comparison, the pixels in an LCD TV are huge. If somehow you could manage to blow up a 42" LCD to 106", IMO the image would probably be sharper. Too bad the lens would probably cost a million bux.![]()
It would be more blurry. The larger surface area of the larger lcd would make for non-uniform focus. That is the reason they started using the smallest panels they could in projectors, as it allowed the whole panel to be in focus.
Yup. Well, it's pretty close though. I've tried it with a business projector. However, see below re: business projectors vs. home theatre projectors. Plus, you don't have to fiddle with an LCD TV to have it be sharp. With a projector you have to make sure your lens is top notch, it's at its best zoom length for image quality, and it's not off kilter.
But we're just talking useless theory anyway.
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I agree with the others that gaming on a good projector image is glorious.
Heh. That's why I said the lens would be a million bux (and that's being conservative).
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It would have to be ginormous, and have perfectly contoured elements.
BTW, many lower end projectors with significant zooms really don't have very good lenses. If you actually display text for image testing, you'll often see lack of 100% planar focus as well as corner softness even in a properly focused image. This is VERY common in projector lenses in the sub $1500 price range. I've often said in other threads that I'd rather have an expensive 720p projector with a good zoom lens than similarly priced 1080p projector with lower grade lens. One analogy would be a digital SLR with a low end consumer zoom lens, vs. a pro zoom lens (eg. Canon L class) in the same zoom range. The pro lens is usually noticeably sharper, especially at the corners.
Low cost business projectors often have much better lenses than low cost home theatre projectors, because focus and brightness are key for business projectors. For lower end home theatre projectors, lens quality is considered a secondary concern (unfortunately).
But I will reiterate that I think projector gaming is awesome. Any minor sharpness issues that can be introduced by consumer grade front projection is completely eclipsed by the other benefits of front projection gaming. In fact, I consider sharpness much less of an issue for gaming than ambient light.
Yup. Well, it's pretty close though. I've tried it with a business projector. However, see below re: business projectors vs. home theatre projectors. Plus, you don't have to fiddle with an LCD TV to have it be sharp. With a projector you have to make sure your lens is top notch, it's at its best zoom length for image quality, and it's not off kilter.
But we're just talking useless theory anyway.
I agree with the others that gaming on a good projector image is glorious.
Heh. That's why I said the lens would be a million bux (and that's being conservative).
BTW, many lower end projectors with significant zooms really don't have very good lenses. If you actually display text for image testing, you'll often see lack of 100% planar focus as well as corner softness even in a properly focused image. This is VERY common in projector lenses in the sub $1500 price range. I've often said in other threads that I'd rather have an expensive 720p projector with a good zoom lens than similarly priced 1080p projector with lower grade lens. One analogy would be a digital SLR with a low end consumer zoom lens, vs. a pro zoom lens (eg. Canon L class) in the same zoom range. The pro lens is usually noticeably sharper, especially at the corners.
Low cost business projectors often have much better lenses than low cost home theatre projectors, because focus and brightness are key for business projectors. For lower end home theatre projectors, lens quality is considered a secondary concern (unfortunately).
But I will reiterate that I think projector gaming is awesome. Any minor sharpness issues that can be introduced by consumer grade front projection is completely eclipsed by the other benefits of front projection gaming. In fact, I consider sharpness much less of an issue for gaming than ambient light.
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Reason why Panny has a gaming mode is due to their style of signal processing, it introduces some lag which is not as much obvious in other PJ's and hence why they came up with the "Game mode" to reduce this lag. Of course, based on their marketing, one would think the AX200 is the best PJ for gaming (the brightness does work really well though) but in reality, they are hiding up their own introduced flaw. Notice on the their 1080p models, they have removed the game mode as the signal processing mechanics are now different.
I have a VP4001 720p DLP PJ and I've haven't noticed ANY lag whatsoever...tested this with CoD4, Guitar Hero and several other fast paced games that make lag noticable. I also sometimes play PC games on my HTPC and haven't noticed any lag either.
Some random shots off my 360/PS3 on my 120" screen. But with a front PJ, u do see the outcomes of low textures or resolutions as the image is much more detailed so you will see the flaws as well. This is obvious in the CoD5 jungle shot which shows the aging CoD4 engine is hitting its peak. On a smaller display, you won't really notice such things but when the image is stretched out on a massive screen (100" plus), you can easily tell the limitations of 720p (or less) GFX and the necessity of 1080p native rendered games. For me, MGSIV was one of the most sharpest, cleanest games I've ever seen on my PJ. If u properly calibrate your PJ, then text will be razor sharp.
And like others have said....once u go with front projection gaming, there's no turning back!! I still find it amusing when some of my gaming friends come over for COD/Madden sessions and still cant get over gaming on a 120" display from 10 feet away!! Priceless.
I have a VP4001 720p DLP PJ and I've haven't noticed ANY lag whatsoever...tested this with CoD4, Guitar Hero and several other fast paced games that make lag noticable. I also sometimes play PC games on my HTPC and haven't noticed any lag either.
Some random shots off my 360/PS3 on my 120" screen. But with a front PJ, u do see the outcomes of low textures or resolutions as the image is much more detailed so you will see the flaws as well. This is obvious in the CoD5 jungle shot which shows the aging CoD4 engine is hitting its peak. On a smaller display, you won't really notice such things but when the image is stretched out on a massive screen (100" plus), you can easily tell the limitations of 720p (or less) GFX and the necessity of 1080p native rendered games. For me, MGSIV was one of the most sharpest, cleanest games I've ever seen on my PJ. If u properly calibrate your PJ, then text will be razor sharp.
And like others have said....once u go with front projection gaming, there's no turning back!! I still find it amusing when some of my gaming friends come over for COD/Madden sessions and still cant get over gaming on a 120" display from 10 feet away!! Priceless.
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