Without the opportunity to see the displays side by side, it will be difficult for you to make this decision. FWIW, if I had some extra $ to spend on the Fujitsu, I would not hesitate. The Panny is still very good. The Fujitsu is THAT good. In the end, they will both display video and the screen is flat, etc., etc. If you go and see a Fujitsu in person, I can bet the farm that you will walk away with a sales receipt and an order. To describe it best, it looks smoother and more natural. When you watch it, you find yourself addicted because it's so easy to watch and you "get into" the picture. Again, the Panny is very good. The Fuji is better - if you can afford it, it is a simple decision. If it is stretching your budget, gobble up a Panny. I own neither, but have seen both. I will be buying a 42" soon and originally I was thinking Panny to save some $. After seeing the Fuji, the Panny is off my list (unless I move into my home and have to buy something major!). Yes I'll pay more, but it is my belief that it is worth it.
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Fujitsu vs. Panny 50": How big a difference?
Still sitting on the fence, trying to decide between these two 50" plasma displays. Since everyone seems to agree that Fujitsu is better, the REAL question is HOW MUCH better? If just a little, then will go for the Panny, if a lot, then very very tempting to splurge on the Fujitsu 40 series. I can't even find any dealers nearby that have the Fujitsu on display...No doubt some others (Bruzzi!?) are going through the same mental summersaults. Any thoughts from those who made the decision for one or the other?
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| Originally posted by Pedro2 No doubt some others (Bruzzi!?) are going through the same mental summersaults. |
7below, which of the two Fujitsu 42" displays are you getting? I would love to see the 50" set in person and let it sell itself (as you suggest it would) but am amazed that I can't find any of the Fujitsu dealers in the area actually displaying it...Will keep calling around I guess.
Still hoping Rich Harkness will eventually chime in with a more detailed comparison of the panny and 40 series Fujitsu...
Any others?
Still hoping Rich Harkness will eventually chime in with a more detailed comparison of the panny and 40 series Fujitsu...
Any others?
No one can call that shot for you, you need to audition properly adjusted plasmas in well lighted stores to see what your eyes tell you. I was in your shoes about 15 months ago and decided to buy the Fujitsu. It was more than I wanted to spend (and more than you would spend for the better model today), but to my eyes it was well worth it. Having seen the new AVM III, I will tell you that it would be an easier choice for me to get the Fujitsu vs. Panny today than it was 18 months ago.
In the 15 months I've had it, I've never regretted my decision.
In the 15 months I've had it, I've never regretted my decision.
I am highly considering the 42" EDTV because of budget reasons. Need $ for the rest of the audio/vide0 
I just happen to really enjoy the PQ of the plasma...The 50" was excellent, if you can, TRY to go see one.
I just happen to really enjoy the PQ of the plasma...The 50" was excellent, if you can, TRY to go see one.Well grab a beer, wine, or drink and come on over and watch whatever you want. I had the same dilemma until I saw in person the Fujitsu. Done deal, bought it that day. My wife loves the silver/chrome look and I tell you other than my chopper this is the best thing I've bought in a while. I post pics on Monday after the false wall in finished. We are you guys located?
Gee, I guess I am the lone dissenter. Having seen both but not side by side, I went with the Panny 50PHD7UY. For one thing, I HATE the silver bezel on the Fujitsu. While the PQ on the Fujitsu was better, it was not THAT much better to warrant the substantial price difference. The 50" Panny has a great picture and that money was much better spent going into the kids college education fund. I have not one pang of regret. Both are great displays.
I hate to make buying decisions on aesthetics, but the silver bezel would be a deal killer for me. I'd go with the Panny for great black level and lower cost, or the Pio Elite for overall great PQ.
I agree with JWhip & Mit07, that silver bezel along with the price difference put me off on the fujitsu, that's why I going with the 50PHD7UY also.
I'm in the Boston area, which, one would think, would have plenty of places with the 50" on display. Also, I can't seem to find any published reviews of the 40 Series Fujitsu, perhaps still too early. On the aesthetics of the frame: obviously that issue can't be resolved without seeing it in person. The most important thing for me in terms of aesthetics is that the frame be thin (i.e. no speakers attached, the most minimalist look possible), and both the panny and the fujitsu are fine in this regard.
Please note that the real mystery to me is whether or not the improvements on the 40 series have or have not really differentiated the Fujitsu even more from the Panny. My sense is that if I was choosing between the previous generation Fujitsu and the current generation Panny that I would probably go with the Panny...But the glowing comments by new owners of the 40 series (some of whom traded in their 30 series) have me really wondering.
Please note that the real mystery to me is whether or not the improvements on the 40 series have or have not really differentiated the Fujitsu even more from the Panny. My sense is that if I was choosing between the previous generation Fujitsu and the current generation Panny that I would probably go with the Panny...But the glowing comments by new owners of the 40 series (some of whom traded in their 30 series) have me really wondering.
In my endless quest to find a Fujitsu 50" plasma on display in the Boston area I called Percy's in Worcester (thanks to a tip from Pooperscooper), and the sales guy told me they were phasing out their Fujitsu's, that they weren't selling well and that the Pioneer Elite line was outselling Fujitsu there 30 to 1 despite roughly comparable pricing. He then urged me to take a serious look at the Pio elite line...not a hard sell, but came as quite a surprise that he was saying the Pio was that much better than the Fujitsu and that he thought the Panasonic plasma's were as or nearly as good as the Fujitsus. Hmmm. Sigh--my quest continues.
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I believe it's still hard to beat 7th-gen Panny glass by anything more than what amounts to incremental margins at this point in time (if we are only capable of perceiving millions of colors, is the difference between billions of colors anything more than superflurous?). Now Fuji (and Pio Elite) processing is a different story--no argument there...but why not go with a 7UY and buy an external video processor (and maybe a programmable remote control) with part of the money you save? I'd stack the total outlay and PQ of my 50-7UY + Lumagen VisionHDP against any Fuji or Pio.
| Originally posted by Pedro2 Still sitting on the fence, trying to decide between these two 50" plasma displays. Since everyone seems to agree that Fujitsu is better, the REAL question is HOW MUCH better? If just a little, then will go for the Panny, if a lot, then very very tempting to splurge on the Fujitsu 40 series. I can't even find any dealers nearby that have the Fujitsu on display...No doubt some others (Bruzzi!?) are going through the same mental summersaults. Any thoughts from those who made the decision for one or the other? |
If you can spring for it, get the Fujitsu. I think if I'd gotten the Panny, I'd probably be spending the money buying a scaler or something to get to a Fujitsu-like picture.
Bottomline: if your budget can manage it (and you like the silver bezel), just buy the Fujitsu and be done with it. I have no regrets.
Besides, I've read in some other thread that the subfield processing/manipulation cannot be achieved using an outboard scaler and can only be done by electronics adjacent the plasma glass. Not sure if I buy that completely, but it did seem to make some sense.
Bottomline: if your budget can manage it (and you like the silver bezel), just buy the Fujitsu and be done with it. I have no regrets.
Besides, I've read in some other thread that the subfield processing/manipulation cannot be achieved using an outboard scaler and can only be done by electronics adjacent the plasma glass. Not sure if I buy that completely, but it did seem to make some sense.
I've seen both and went with the Panny. I think I liked the Fujitsu picture better but not for the added cost. The Panny has an awesome picture.
Here's the summary of the message I seem to be getting from these posts: Can't really go wrong with either display, but there is considerable disagreement over whether the added cost of the Fujitsu is worth it. No surprise, I suppose.
Now, perhaps I should wait just a little longer to see if the new Panny models help close the gap AND push down prices...
Now, perhaps I should wait just a little longer to see if the new Panny models help close the gap AND push down prices...
It's always difficult to determine whether the cost difference is justified on almost every product. Is a $100 bottle of wine $20 better than a $80 bottle? Is a $70,000 car $10 thou better than a $60,000 car? Perhaps to some it is, for others it isn't. Sometimes people just pay what is necessary to have a specific brand or to have what is considered "the best".
Although I don't own either I have seen both at different shops. (I guess) it remains one of those issues debatable ad-nausea, is the AVM II and the other internal electronics worth the extra $3k?
No one denies the Fujitsu 50(40)'s superior "life like" PQ rendering, especially in demanding scenes (sports, complex shadow/detail with lots of things going on, etc) so the question becomes can I get external electronics that will do the same job?
IMHO no, because you will be always bound by the "slowest/weakest link" paradigm as the scaler, for however good it can be, still has to send those tiny bits of data and electrons through some of the plasma's circuitry before reaching and exciting them little phosphorous bulbs..
BTW, I see it in a different way, if you have to ask yourself the question then it is not worth it.
Huh?
You either want the Ferrari or not, and I don't think buying a BMW and souping it up is a viable alternative, I know my analogy stinks, ok, ok , but thats my opinion.
ps. I will be stretching my finances soon by buying a commercial Panny 50", unfortunately the extra $$s aren't available..... and I know I will be the happiest camper on the earth!!!!!
Gman
No one denies the Fujitsu 50(40)'s superior "life like" PQ rendering, especially in demanding scenes (sports, complex shadow/detail with lots of things going on, etc) so the question becomes can I get external electronics that will do the same job?
IMHO no, because you will be always bound by the "slowest/weakest link" paradigm as the scaler, for however good it can be, still has to send those tiny bits of data and electrons through some of the plasma's circuitry before reaching and exciting them little phosphorous bulbs..
BTW, I see it in a different way, if you have to ask yourself the question then it is not worth it.
Huh?
You either want the Ferrari or not, and I don't think buying a BMW and souping it up is a viable alternative, I know my analogy stinks, ok, ok , but thats my opinion.
ps. I will be stretching my finances soon by buying a commercial Panny 50", unfortunately the extra $$s aren't available..... and I know I will be the happiest camper on the earth!!!!!
Gman
Pedro, Gman has a good analogy, however I would say that the Panny is the Honda Accord and the Fujitsu is the BMW - the Runco w/DHD is the Ferrari
There is nothing here that can make your decision for you. Everything is subjective and there are even some "strange" comments mixed in by people that are not in your shoes. You have proponents of both screens, each of which is a leading choice in their budget ranges. You will not get either screen, come home, and be displeased after you consider the following options:
It is either this
You want the best, have the $, and do not want to question your purchase - get the Fujitsu.
or this
I'm getting a very good "class" leading picture and saving some money - who cares if there is something better - buy the Panny.
Pick your poison.
There is nothing here that can make your decision for you. Everything is subjective and there are even some "strange" comments mixed in by people that are not in your shoes. You have proponents of both screens, each of which is a leading choice in their budget ranges. You will not get either screen, come home, and be displeased after you consider the following options:
It is either this
You want the best, have the $, and do not want to question your purchase - get the Fujitsu.
or this
I'm getting a very good "class" leading picture and saving some money - who cares if there is something better - buy the Panny.
Pick your poison.
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If the silver bezel bothers you that much, do a search to see how to make it black or any other color you choose. I almost went for the Panny because I also hated the silver bezel, but the superior PQ of the Fujitsu was too much for me to give up. Once I had it installed, I discovered that the silver bezel just about disappears when the screen is off (and when it's on the PQ is so great that you never look at the bezel). I was planning to get it painted black, but just decided to leave it alone.
To my eyes, the new P40 is very well worth the extra $ vs. the Panny, though a little negotiating can close the gap. YMMV
| Originally posted by Mit07 I hate to make buying decisions on aesthetics, but the silver bezel would be a deal killer for me. I'd go with the Panny for great black level and lower cost, or the Pio Elite for overall great PQ. |
To my eyes, the new P40 is very well worth the extra $ vs. the Panny, though a little negotiating can close the gap. YMMV
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