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Though it'll be a year or so before I'm ready to buy anything, I want to spend that time auditioning as much as I can. I've been trying to go out and listen about every other weekend or so, but haven't been able to hear a huge selection of stuff. I am buying these primarily for 2ch listening but they'll be pulling double duty for HT. I know people have their opinions that I should just get a better set of bookshelves since I have a sub, that's fine, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I currently have that setup and while it's ok and sounds decent, I really want full range towers. If you think I'd be wasting my money for speakers that play low when I have a sub, keep it to yourself and please don't derail the thread. I currently use a pair of Hsu HB-1s and a Hsu VTF3mk3 for music but occasionally just in 2ch if at low/mid volumes. They're great speakers but sound a little veiled and have a small sweet spot. I listen to all kinds of music - Tool, old Metallica, Chevelle, Alice in Chains, Days of the New, bluegrass, grunge, alternative, Snoop, Fat Boys, Prodigy, Zeppelin, Perfect Circle, classic rock, occasionally classical and some pop for the old lady. A little of everything.

So far I've heard these (I know they're not all towers):

Kef r300

Kef r700 - more of a sweet area instead of a spot, great sound but need to hear them again to reassess the low end with new demo material.

Kef LS50 - to me they sounded like the r300 but less extension and more expensive.

Quad 22L2 - good but nothing special

Paradigm studio 60 - really wanted these to be all I'd need but didn't have enough oomph. Really like the mids, highs are a little bright but could probably live with it. Was only a little much on a couple of my demo tracks, same as at home.

Paradigm studio 100 - same as above but had all the extension I'm looking for. Everything sounded balanced and full. Similar to the 60s but seemed to play it with much less effort.

B&W cm8 - nice sound but a little layed back. Not as bright as the studios (not a bad thing just different), low end is between the 60s and 100s, but just didn't grab me. Sounded as if I was on the 15th or 20th row vs the 3rd for the studios.

Golden Ear Triton 3 - sounded pretty good but boomy despite the treated room.

Triton 2 - same as the 3s but the low end seemed to have disappeared.


I'm not too interested in towers with built in subs since they seem to be more complicated to dial in, especially with HT. As far as size restrictions, I don't think I'd want anything bigger than the 100s. WAF isn't really an issue but I'd also like them to look nice. Really like the 100s in rosenut, just gorgeous. I plan on moving the HB-1s (which are rosenut) to the rear when I get the towers to replace a couple of sats. Eventually I'll get a matching center and surrounds but it'll be down the road since I'll have to get a new entertainment center (hopefully standout designs, but more $$$) for the center channel. Until I can upgrade my Sony 4400ES (would like XT32), I'll be using that to drive them until I can get an external amp. Room is about 26x15x8' with the tv on the long wall and couch against the opposite wall as well as faux beams on the ceiling running width wise. No way to rearrange due to a bay window at one end and fireplace at the other. It's open to the rest of the house via a walkway to the kitchen and hallway. HB-1s have been moved to either side of the tv since the diagram was made. Though the original position would be good for wides some day.

Also trying to compile a list of companies that'll allow trial periods with free shipping both ways. Was following a thread where someone else was doing the same but can't seem to find it now.

Thanks in advance for all the input and suggestions. Love that I have a place to pick the brains of people brighter than me, as most are. Max budget is about $3k.
 

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Finding companies that have a trial period and will pay shipping both ways is going to be tough.


SVS has some new towers you might look at (they are offering free shipping both ways right now).

http://www.svsound.com/speakers


Salk offers a trial period on their standard SongTowers (excellent speakers btw!) but you would pay shipping. That said, Jim Salk can help you find a local owner who's willing to offer an audition (well worth the effort IMO).

http://www.salksound.com/songtower%20home.htm


Also, Dennis Murphy of Philharmonic Audio is working on a new tower model that looks real interesting:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1348949/philharmonic-audio-dennis-murphy/3840


Based on Dennis' other work I've heard I expect they will be nothing short of excellent.


Hope this helps.
 

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Thanks Saturn! All three of those were on my list to try and hear. I think the thread I was looking for was able to compare the Phils and the SVSs. Can't remember which he went with. If I remember right, the Phil's sounded a little better as far as detail in midrange but the svs was more suited to the music he listened to. Hard rock like me I think.

The Salks are very well known around here for their great sound, though are usually said to need a sub for best results. I do think I'll try to find a local owner so I can hear for myself what all the fuss is about.

Looking forward to these and thanks again!
 

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Depends on the music you listen to also or more exactly what type of instruments the music you listen to generally plays.


Most musical bass only hits somewhere into the low 30hz (for the most part)...


Something to keep in mind.
 

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Originally Posted by Newbie01  /t/1466750/full-range-towers-wanted#post_23169800


Depends on the music you listen to also or more exactly what type of instruments the music you listen to generally plays.


Most musical bass only hits somewhere into the low 30hz (for the most part)...


Something to keep in mind.
I guess when I said full range I should've specified as for the full range of music. Examples of what I listen to are listed above in the original post. Though organs and such go into the teens, I don't really listen to organ music. However, some stuff I listen to has electronic or synthesized bass which seems to go pretty low, just don't know how far down.

On a side note, the paradigm studio 100 says it's low frequency extension is 25Hz (DIN). What does the DIN mean?
 

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I love my Philharmonic 2. While in my HT it's about 50/50,the speakers do well with both. They go down to about 30Hz, and while I have a sub it's crossed at 40Hz for 2 channel listening - it's not often activated. I listen to everything from Indie and alternative to classical, no hip hop, rap, or country. You'll be able to point out poor recordings and heavily compressed or low bitrate lossy files, but I suppose good speakers should.


If interested I recommend getting in touch with Dennis to see if there is a friendly owner in your area for a listen.


Good luck!


Heya Saturn! How's it hangin'?
 

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I know it may not get much talk on this forum but I just purchased a set of Zu Audio Omen Defs and could not be happier. They are a crossoverless design and have options to upgrade the caps to Clarity or Mundorff. I got mine with the new MK1b drivers from Druid and Definition and a B Stock cabinet. They take quite a while to break in but OMG they are awesome with the right source. Garbage in garbage out definitely applies here. Feed them a clean signal and they will amaze! They are extremely efficient at 98 db 1w/1meter. Their HT performance is equally impressive. I will say that they like wider than average placement but throw a tall, wide, and immersive soundstage image. Mine are starting to open up now and listening to Godsmack, Tool, The Eagles, Pink Floyd and such is a real treat. Lots of mid bass thump and you will here details that you may not realized were there before.


They may not be the END ALL speaker but I have buddies with high dollar Focals, Vandersteens, and Sonus Faber that are quite perturbed that they spent 3-4 times as much and favor my Zu's.


Just saying, they are worth a look. Great guys and great customer service.
 

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I love my Philharmonic 2. While in my HT it's about 50/50,the speakers do well with both. They go down to about 30Hz, and while I have a sub it's crossed at 40Hz for 2 channel listening - it's not often activated. I listen to everything from Indie and alternative to classical, no hip hop, rap, or country. You'll be able to point out poor recordings and heavily compressed or low bitrate lossy files, but I suppose good speakers should.


If interested I recommend getting in touch with Dennis to see if there is a friendly owner in your area for a listen.


Good luck!


Heya Saturn! How's it hangin'?

Hi Nethawk. Still enjoying that "compromised" LCR......LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist.
. Btw, sent you a PM.


I thought about suggesting the Phil 2, but I got the impression the OP wanted a more traditional tower. If not, then the Phil 2 should certainly be on his short list. I'm really interested in hearing new Phil tower, assuming it makes it into production.
 
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Hi Nethawk. Still enjoying that "compromised" LCR......LOL! Sorry, couldn't resist.
. Btw, sent you a PM.


I thought about suggesting the Phil 2, but I got the impression the OP wanted a more traditional tower. If not, then the Phil 2 should certainly be on his short list. I'm really interested in hearing new Phil tower, assuming it makes it into production.
Didn't Dennis Murphy design the Salks? Do they sound very similar? Have impressions of both?
 

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Didn't Dennis Murphy design the Salks? Do they sound very similar? Have impressions of both?

Yes, Dennis designs the crossovers, and I believe also has a hand in driver selection as well. And yes, they do sound similar. As I understand it, the crossover has a big impact on how a speaker sounds, so it's not surprising that speakers from the same crossover designer would sound similiar. The last time I visited Dennis (in 2010) I got to directly compare a prototype of the Phil 2 to the Salk HT2-TL. The primary difference between the two was the more open sound of the Phil 2 due to it's open back midrange design.
 

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I recommend that you look at the Gallo Classico CL-3 speakers, which are only $1600 factory direct.


I think they may be the finest-sounding full-range speakers you can get for anywhere near their price.


They have a unique patented tweeter that is quite amazing. They also use NO crossover, which is a very good feature.


Gallo gives you a 60-DAY FREE TRIAL period, and pays shipping both ways on returns.


They are confident that no one can hear them and want to return them; and with good reason.


Check out the article on them from The Absolute Sound.
 

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Alright, so I have next week off. Finally was able to track down a Monitor Audio dealer with a showroom here in town so I'm going to try and hear some RX6s since they don't have the RX8s. Also going to try and do a second demo with the Kef dealer to A/B the R700 again with the Q900. Will see if he'll let me bring my Hsu HB-1s along to compare the R300s against as well. Might even go hear some B&W CM9s too since I found a place that has them set up in a better room.

So far, the Paradigm Studio 100s have impressed me the most as far as giving me the fullest impact with music. Gonna tweak my demo cd and should have a fun time this week!


Edit: also found a place that carries dynaudio and another with Focals. Gonna be busy.
 

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fwiw, would also give the dynaudio lines of speakers a listen to if possible
 

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Anyone have other suggestions to add?
Atlantic Texhnology AT-1 towers. $3k MSRP but, clearly there should be a discount off of that. Beautiful sounding speaker.


It's also a Stereophile B recommended component (one step below "cost no object").


Lots and lots of reviews and videos for you to check out so you can decide if you want to demo. I think this is one of the better deals in upper mid-fi audio right now. It's very efficient as well, so you won't have to throw a brick at it power wise.


Here's a link, links to reviews and videos at the bottom: http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=159
 

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Atlantic Texhnology AT-1 towers. $3k MSRP but, clearly there should be a discount off of that. Beautiful sounding speaker.


It's also a Stereophile B recommended component (one step below "cost no object").


Lots and lots of reviews and videos for you to check out so you can decide if you want to demo. I think this is one of the better deals in upper mid-fi audio right now. It's very efficient as well, so you won't have to throw a brick at it power wise.


Here's a link, links to reviews and videos at the bottom: http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=159
I remember when these came out a few years ago. Everyone was going nuts about them. I've always wanted to hear them but I looks like I'd have to buy them to hear them. No dealers around. I'll have to see if I can find one that has a trial period and preferably free shipping
 
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