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Thanks Anthony. I sent an email to Nathan. He also recommended the 18.0c and said it should be quite close, but the 18.0 should eclipse the Sub25 in terms of bass output and depth. I think the 18.0 is definitely outside my price. The 18.0c definietly looks like one hell of a contender. Problem is that I live in South Africa, so I need to factor in shipping to. I don't see the weight on the 18.0c. In fact I am scared to think how much it weighs!
 

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18.0C is 80lbs, not sure what the box weighs. It is lighter than most other comparable subs, so shipping would probably be less as well.

What did Nathan say about the 18.0C vs the Sub 25?
 

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I dont know if you can relate, but here goes nothin....


im a bass player (bass guitar - not synth or digital, but honest to god stringed instruments). if by some chance the 25 digs a little deeper, it misses musical qualities within the general concept of sound. so, for me the sacrifice would not be worth the extra few hz (if there are any). even in the HT world, there is amazing music found in the sound effect tracks of your favorite blu-ray... 100% of all sound effects are manipulated in studio, so a man made sound can still be considered music even though it might be a crash or explosion... the studio injects musical qualities, subtle nuances that force you to feel what you are watching. The Gospel of HT Audio; chapter 1, verse 1: If the audio track sucks, the movie sucks, and all bass heads agreed and decided to compile their findings on the data bass forum.


the 18.0C gives you the details of the low end - and this is true of all funk audio equipment, there is clarity and detail in overwhelming abundance.

the sub 25 just gives low end, and misses that little bit extra that makes the hairs on your neck stand up.


dont get me wrong, the sub 25 is a good sub, but the anechoic design premise and absence of superior and stiffer construction materials forces the sub 25 to lack in its musical abilities. to me, its sad to hear something that is forced to underperform.


for that reason i would bow out of a sub 25 and get a solid bamboo 18.0C. bamboo is stiffer and will give you nicer dynamic presence, a better sense of "being right there" regardless of what you are listening to.


that is what i look for in speakers and subwoofers... how real is the sound and does that sound force me to stay engaged with the movie or song? and i make my decisions based on the answer to those questions.
 

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Thanks for taking the time to give a detailed response manwithnocape. I do understand what you are taking about, but you probably more so as a musician. The quality of the sound is what I value the most, so I am thrilled to see the 18.0C excels in this area. What sub do you have at the moment? Have you been to FA as you are local (I am in Abbotsford).

How much difference is the bamboo cabinet over the Baltic birch sonically? Any idea what they charge for it?
 

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Anthony, Nathan told me that the 18.0c should match or beat the Sub25 from 30 Hz and up but might give up a little bass extension down low. Whether he was being conservative or not is anyone's guess.
He did say that if I wanted to beat the Sub25 as in outperform it in all areas then 18.0 would be highly recommended.
 

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Sounds good Heinrich. You have some better info to make a decision, and you might even get more refined bass than the Sub 25.

How large is the room it is going in?


Where do you live in South Africa? My wife is from Cape Town
 

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Not a large room, so I agree, should get some good room gain. Let me know which sub you end up going with. Not sure you could beat the 18.0C for the money, nothing even comes to mind to recommend to you.
 

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I found out that shipping to South Africa is only $150 more than shipping to USA. Weird, I expected a LOT more than that. I've imported SVS in the past and I was charged like $500, for their smaller offerings. Hopefully that wasn't a mistake, but I certainly wouldn't complain if shipping is only $150.


Nathan said the 18.0c should be able to reach down to 12 Hz in a small room. Right now I'm just debating whether I should perhaps move up to the more powerful amp or driver, but Nathan said the improved woofer wouldn't really improve on the deep deep stuff. It would provide more output in the upper bass.
 

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Nathan said the same thing to me about the more powerful amp and driver. He said it makes sense to get both if you are doing it. That upgrade is getting out of my budget, but this sub already has great mid bass slam, so I am not sure if I need it more "slamier"


It is already very loud, and my room is small, so I think I will make do. Inquired into the cost of a bamboo cabinet, as manwithnocape indicated that it has even better sonic qualities. If it is too much of an upgrade, I will suffer with the Baltic birch
Performance down to 12Hz is amazing, and I have a small room, so it should hit in that range.
 

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Originally Posted by anthonywoy  /t/1283555/funky-waves-audio-official-thread-prebuilt-and-custom-subs/450#post_23101947


I would love to hear an 18.0 sometime. Have you heard any of the new loudspeakers? How would you describe their sound?

I've heard all their current loudspeakers... very, very, Very good. asking me to describe my FA loudspeakers is like firing missiles at the hoover dam and then asking it not to loose any water, kinda dangerous. i will say this: 8.1P - one 8 inch and one planar. 700w rms and the best thing i have ever heard. my system is two 8.1P's and a 18.0 with the FA 3 channel built in amp. they will handle a 8000 cuft room with gain to spare, i know, i've done it. but they are not just loud, they are clear and warm and perfectly balanced at any output level you choose.


if you take all the things that you don't like about your current loudspeakers and throw those characteristics at someone who thinks BOSE is good, and what you have left over is audio euphoria... that is how FA sounds.


i will warn you though, every other speaker starts to sound bad, and my friends call me an audio snob. i heard some b&w 803's last week... was not impressed in the slightest. id rather walk down east hastings dressed in a suit and tie with money and heroin falling out of my pockets.


just an opinion guys, please dont crucify me.
 

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Originally Posted by anthonywoy  /t/1283555/funky-waves-audio-official-thread-prebuilt-and-custom-subs/450#post_23102048


Nathan said the same thing to me about the more powerful amp and driver. He said it makes sense to get both if you are doing it. That upgrade is getting out of my budget, but this sub already has great mid bass slam, so I am not sure if I need it more "slamier"


It is already very loud, and my room is small, so I think I will make do. Inquired into the cost of a bamboo cabinet, as manwithnocape indicated that it has even better sonic qualities. If it is too much of an upgrade, I will suffer with the Baltic birch
Performance down to 12Hz is amazing, and I have a small room, so it should hit in that range.

i hope i didn't give the impression that the baltic birch is a poor cabinet. mine is baltic, and i Love it. but the bamboo is an upgrade, it offers just that little bit extra for the critical listener. my next system will be bamboo though, just because.
 

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you will be very surprised with your 18.0C's guys. i think the dollar amount kind of makes people think it's not a big contender, but it packs a punch, you'll be blown away. i know i was.
 

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I did not get the impression the Baltic birch was bad in any way, you just got me curious about the bamboo. If I was going to upgrade anything, that sounds like my best option, as I am not sure more power would get me much, but better sound is always good



What did you get done with the driver that is different from the standard 18.0?


Why not the 8.2?


Thanks for your input, it is great to hear from someone who owns/has heard the product. Not any info on the 18.0C other than the FA website.
 

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I just wanted a bookshelf that sounds like a floor standing speaker. My plan is to use my current system for the rear channels in my HT or build a music listening room and use them for music only. My front end will be dual 18.3's, the 5.4P center, and there is a secret speaker that they are not releasing for a while. I happen to know about it because I was in the right place at the right time and I have no idea what they are called.... anyway, I would like 2 of them.


Driver - I went with a different cone and surround. In the music listening range it seems to be slightly more "present" with a little bit better output. It was a very expensive upgrade, but I like it.


Amps - Thats the thing about their amps, they build them that way for a reason... the speakers work better, the sound is better, the output is better, everything is better. I don't hardly ever use all 700W, but they have done something with their amps that make me think of hafler and the yamaha M's. I think its also that the amps are paired with their speakers (subs and loudspeakers), they are designed to work together. I like buying things the way they are designed to work.
 
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