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2600 >> GMA X3500. They belong to totally different leagues. For example


- Vertex Shader/Pixel Shader/Texture Mapping/Render Output Units: 24/5/8/4 vs. 0/1.6?/3.2?/?

- AVC decode: 100% HW vs. 100% SW


The only advantage of G35 over 2600 is 7.1 LPCM over HDMI.
 

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I find not having to deal with ATI drivers a huge advantage. My iMac running Windows Vista (ATI Radeon HD2600 XT mobile GPU with Catalyst 7.11) has had more driver crashes today than I've had with Intel GPUs in the past eighteen months. (I've used Intel GPUs on a daily basis since June 2006)
 

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2600 >> GMA X3500. They belong to totally different leagues. For example


- Vertex Shader/Pixel Shader/Texture Mapping/Render Output Units: 24/5/8/4 vs. 0/1.6?/3.2?/?

- AVC decode: 100% HW vs. 100% SW


The only advantage of G35 over 2600 is 7.1 LPCM over HDMI.



OK so the 2600 is >>


Now the HDMI on the 2600 says it 5.1 support. Am I losing much in the way of audio as opposed to the 7.1 LPCM (PS I only have 5.1 set up)
 

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Audio supported by 2600 over HDMI is:


- Stereo 16 bits/48 kHz LPCM

- 5.1 Dolby Digital/DTS (16 bits/48 kHz)


while G35 supports


- 8 Ch. 24 bits/96 kHz LPCM (restricted by Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio)


Numerically you lose a lot. Practically, I don't know ... depends on how sensitive your ears are. Use analog audio or Auzen X-Tension HDMI card (Q1 2008).
 

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Audio supported by 2600 over HDMI is:


- Stereo 16 bits/48 kHz LPCM

- 5.1 Dolby Digital/DTS (16 bits/48 kHz)


while G35 supports


- 8 Ch. 24 bits/96 kHz LPCM (restricted by Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio)


Numerically you lose a lot. Practically, I don't know ... depends on how sensitive your ears are. Use analog audio or Auzen X-Tension HDMI card (Q1 2008).


OK...

So is there an option of "best of both worlds"??

Where I am getting the better video as well as the better audio??

Even if its Spdif as well as hdmi/Component.
 

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2600 >> GMA X3500. They belong to totally different leagues. For example


- Vertex Shader/Pixel Shader/Texture Mapping/Render Output Units: 24/5/8/4 vs. 0/1.6?/3.2?/?

- AVC decode: 100% HW vs. 100% SW


The only advantage of G35 over 2600 is 7.1 LPCM over HDMI.

Actually X3500 has vertex shaders. And both are unified shader architecture. Each are not comparable because they have different architectures. Of course, HD 2600 is way faster. But it has vertex shaders. The 14.31+ drivers for XP and 15.6+ driver for Vista enables them. Those are the drivers that also enable hardware T&L, which is basically a fixed function version of vertex shader
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OK...

So is there an option of "best of both worlds"??

Where I am getting the better video as well as the better audio??

Even if its Spdif as well as hdmi/Component.

A discrete video card (such as 2600) combined with either


- analog audio


or


- Auzen X-Tension HDMI 1.3
 

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OK here is a good question....

I am using a ATI x1600pro on my pc now.

Would I see any improvement with the x3500??


I seem to play HD fine with the 1600.


I guess I am trying to make the right purchase of mobo/gpu combo for my new htpc.


this is tough!!!



PS its all going to my Onkyo AVR with a 5.1 setup and a 1080p panny projector.
 

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G35 all the way (if you're not a gamer)

The whole point of HD is Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio audio wise.

You don't need hardware acceleration if you have a decent CPU so you get the whole package, video & audio with the G35.

Ati only gets you half that.

I already had an Ati which I was going to build my HTPC around but after finding about its limitation I promply switched to G35.

In addition analoque connections especially from a pc won't be near as good as straight cut digital transfer.

Next year when Intel releases its G45 it will offer hardware acceleration, but saying that if Ati releases a 7.1 LPCM card I will be one of the first to get one and install in my G35 motherboard disabling the onboard graphics/audio.

Until then I will be enjoying TrueHD/DTD-HD MA so it's a win win situation.
 

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G35 all the way (if you're not a gamer)

The whole point of HD is Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio audio wise.

You don't need hardware acceleration if you have a decent CPU so you get the whole package, video & audio with the G35.

Ati only gets you half that.

I already had an Ati which I was going to build my HTPC around but after finding about its limitation I promply switched to G35.

In addition analoque connections especially from a pc won't be near as good as straight cut digital transfer.

Next year when Intel releases its G45 it will offer hardware acceleration, but saying that if Ati releases a 7.1 LPCM card I will be one of the first to get one and install in my G35 motherboard disabling the onboard graphics/audio.

Until then I will be enjoying TrueHD/DTD-HD MA so it's a win win situation.

So this will pass true/dts HD to my receiver? It will actually say the codec on it?

And I am not a gamer BUT I will play a game here and there...will the g35 do a decent enough job on games?
 

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So this will pass true/dts HD to my receiver? It will actually say the codec on it?

And I am not a gamer BUT I will play a game here and there...will the g35 do a decent enough job on games?

No, it does not pass true/dts HD, that requires HDMI 1.3, only uncompressed LPCM.


G35 does minimum job on games. Read reviews on P5E-VM HDMI yourself: OCWorkBench , Reg Hardware , Silent PC Review , VR-Zone . If you want gaming performance, even 2600 may not be enough. 3850 is recommended.
 

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Expect basic gaming capabilities and that's about it. The HW and drivers are not comparable to a standalone GPU from that perspective.


As renethx pointed out, you won't get undecoded passthrough of TrueHD/DTS HD MA. You'll get it only after it's been decoded to LPCM by the software, whether that be PowerDVD Ultra, Arcsoft, or something else entirely.
 

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No, it does not pass true/dts HD, that requires HDMI 1.3, only uncompressed LPCM.


G35 does minimum job on games. Read reviews on P5E-VM HDMI yourself: OCWorkBench , Reg Hardware , Silent PC Review , VR-Zone . If you want gaming performance, even 2600 may not be enough. 3850 is recommended.

OK.

What about differences between 256 and 512 mem on the gpu?? (Besides the obvious
 

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So you are asking HD 3850 256MB & 512MB, right? Look at Expreview.com - HD 3850 512M vs HD 3850 256M . The difference is prominent at 1920x1200 with AA on. Here is a sample system with Radeon HD 3850 used.


BTW 3DMark06 score (Overall 1280x1024):


GMA X3500: 600

MCP78: 730

X1600 Pro: 2000

HD 2600 XT: 4800

HD 3850 256MB: 9300

HD 3850 512MB: 9900

8800 GT 512MB: 11000
 

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Renethx....

Thanks for all your info!!


I have the X1600 pro and have been happy...no issues for me.

I am selllng that machine so time to pick the right new combo.


1st priority is HTPC aspect of HD 1080p playback.

Will have BLU/HD DVD combo, cont care how its sent to the receiver...HDMI,Coponent or DVI.


2nd is Audio, I can go over SPDIF or HDMI. I have a 5.1 setup.


3rd is gaming. I dont game much but when I do its an occasional half life 2 type game or a sports game.


Whats my best BUT budget concious option??


I am doing the Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600...Also any suggestions on a micro atx case?? I wan similar features to the ASUS P5K



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So you are asking HD 3850 256MB & 512MB, right? Look at HD 3850 512M vs HD 3850 256M . The difference is prominent at 1920x1200 with AA on.


BTW 3DMark06 score (Overall 1280x1024):


GMA X3500: 600

X1600 Pro: 2000

HD 2600 XT: 4800

HD 3850 256MB: 9300

HD 3850 512MB: 9900

8800 GT 512MB: 11000
 

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The answer is MicroATX System - Midrange (in particular if you like ASUS P5K).
Of course you can use Q6600 and HD 2600 XT.
 

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The answer is MicroATX System - Midrange (in particular if you like ASUS P5K).
Of course you can use Q6600 and HD 2600 XT.

OK last question....

so ATX and HD 2600 THEN next setp is HD 2600 XT the HD 3850.


Am I grasping this
 

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One more point, and I really want to remember where I read this for reference, but I don't.


It's my understanding that any of the HTPC benefits for the G35 require Vista. I use WinXP. The ATI has that advantage.


Robert
 

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One more point, and I really want to remember where I read this for reference, but I don't.


It's my understanding that any of the HTPC benefits for the G35 require Vista. I use WinXP. The ATI has that advantage.


Robert

I have not used Vista...why are so many not into it?
 
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