the non-S BG808 uses the same MEC (Panasonic) tubes as the 8500 and also the same lenses, Delta HD8's. The difference is not so much pic quality but the fact that the 8500 is still in production so parts are very easy to find. The Ultra was basically upgraded Electronics. Some of the electronic upgrades actually started to be added in late 97, by mid 98 Marquee's had almost all the Ultra features except forthe newest EM focus board version. However Ultra badge wasn't offcially applied until late 98.
-
Take part in a short activity and share your valuable opinion on new design concepts for AVSForum! >>> Click Here
-
Our native mobile app has a new name: Fora Communities. Learn more.
G808s vs 8500
Hi all,
it's been ages I am looking for buying a CRT and, while awaiting for my HT room to be finished, I am now going around looking for deals on internet/forums but also to see seller's pj at directly at their home.
Rececently I have seen a Barco G808s with very good tubes and I was impressed by the colors and by over-all image quality also compared with other G808 (non S) pjs.
How do you compare the 8500's color and over-all image quality with the one of a G808s?
What the Ultra add to the standard 8500?
Thanks,
TinToy
it's been ages I am looking for buying a CRT and, while awaiting for my HT room to be finished, I am now going around looking for deals on internet/forums but also to see seller's pj at directly at their home.
Rececently I have seen a Barco G808s with very good tubes and I was impressed by the colors and by over-all image quality also compared with other G808 (non S) pjs.
How do you compare the 8500's color and over-all image quality with the one of a G808s?
What the Ultra add to the standard 8500?
Thanks,
TinToy
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
Quote:
While true, you ain't gonna be buying new parts anytime soon and used parts for both are plentiful.
The 808s has Sony tubes that are very expensive to replace, the non-s has much more attractively priced MEC tubes.
Between these two, differences in picture quality are going to come down to condition, set up, and personality of the machines. Both are capable of stunning pictures.
The 8500 has a smaller footprint, but in many ways, the 808 is easier to work on.
Dave
| Originally Posted by draganm The difference is not so much pic quality but the fact that the 8500 is still in production so parts are very easy to find. |
The 808s has Sony tubes that are very expensive to replace, the non-s has much more attractively priced MEC tubes.
Between these two, differences in picture quality are going to come down to condition, set up, and personality of the machines. Both are capable of stunning pictures.
The 8500 has a smaller footprint, but in many ways, the 808 is easier to work on.
Dave
I have both a G808 and an 8500.
They're basically going to be the same.
Both use the same tubes and lenses, both are not color filtered, and both have electronics that are more than sufficient for home theater use.
Everything that should guide your buying choice should be based around tube condition.
Some small detail differences that are largely irrelevant to picture, but interesting:
The 8500 has a smaller footprint, but is taller.
The G808 is marginally easier to work on if you need to replace a board, but in reality both are very modular designs.
The 8500 needs a simple anamorphic mod as the stock V-adjust range is not enough.
Barco takes negative sync, 8500 takes either.
One important thing worth mentioning is that some Barcos have a streaking problem (mine does), while I've not heard of this being a problem on Marquees at all.
But when it comes down to it, other than possibility of streaking, if you showed me images from a G808 and an 8500, I really don't think anyone would be able to figure out which was which based on the image in any way.
I'm using the G808 as my main projector because it's not as tall (it's longer) so it will stick down from the ceiling less (as I have low ceilings). If this were not an issue, honestly I think I might prefer the Marquee slightly.
Also, I think the Barco is a touch quieter than the Marquee.
I hope that helps!
They're basically going to be the same.
Both use the same tubes and lenses, both are not color filtered, and both have electronics that are more than sufficient for home theater use.
Everything that should guide your buying choice should be based around tube condition.
Some small detail differences that are largely irrelevant to picture, but interesting:
The 8500 has a smaller footprint, but is taller.
The G808 is marginally easier to work on if you need to replace a board, but in reality both are very modular designs.
The 8500 needs a simple anamorphic mod as the stock V-adjust range is not enough.
Barco takes negative sync, 8500 takes either.
One important thing worth mentioning is that some Barcos have a streaking problem (mine does), while I've not heard of this being a problem on Marquees at all.
But when it comes down to it, other than possibility of streaking, if you showed me images from a G808 and an 8500, I really don't think anyone would be able to figure out which was which based on the image in any way.
I'm using the G808 as my main projector because it's not as tall (it's longer) so it will stick down from the ceiling less (as I have low ceilings). If this were not an issue, honestly I think I might prefer the Marquee slightly.
Also, I think the Barco is a touch quieter than the Marquee.
I hope that helps!
Quote:
This is true of Port 4/5 only. Port 3 will accept either. Also, later model Barcos will accept positive sync on port 4/5.
Quote:
I disagree with this a bit. I think that all the PJs have their own "look" to them. My BG1208 does not "look" the same as Ridebreck's 8111 even though you would say th picture quality is about the same. And my Cine 8 Onyx has a different "look" than Phil's G70. Not all people like the same "look".
Quote:
The 808 is quieter than a Quee. But the 1208 is even quieter than the 808.
Dave
| Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles Barco takes negative sync, 8500 takes either. |
Quote:
| Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles But when it comes down to it, other than possibility of streaking, if you showed me images from a G808 and an 8500, I really don't think anyone would be able to figure out which was which based on the image in any way. |
Quote:
| Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles Also, I think the Barco is a touch quieter than the Marquee. |
Dave
Quote:
Good point to bring up, I should have clarified that.
| Originally Posted by Person99 This is true of Port 4/5 only. Port 3 will accept either. Also, later model Barcos will accept positive sync on port 4/5. |
I'll also add that the Barco case design, when painted black, is pretty darn sexy 
Basically, and I think most here would agree, there is no standouts between any of the major manufactures in regards to performance. In other words , an ECP4100 ,Sony 1250 and Barco 800 all pretty much perform the same. Similerly a Marquee, 808 and G70 are all going to perform with in a few degrees of each other. I've owned most of these and I've not seen a major difference between projectors within the same category. I happen to like electrohome as I find them easiest to work with but that's just me.
You will see a fairly big difference between older video only 7" machines like the Sony 10XX compared to say an ECP.
You will see a fairly big difference between older video only 7" machines like the Sony 10XX compared to say an ECP.
Thanks to all for your comments.
Do you think that a 8500Ultra dated Year 2000 with about 30K hours (about 11K in stand-by) with mint tubes (RGB 10-9-10) can be a good pj?
TinToy
Do you think that a 8500Ultra dated Year 2000 with about 30K hours (about 11K in stand-by) with mint tubes (RGB 10-9-10) can be a good pj?
TinToy
Quote:
Big difference here though at the G70 is LC and color filtered.
Quote:
If the tubes are indeed in that condition and P43 voltage is good, yes that would be an excellent machine.
| Similerly a Marquee, 808 and G70 are all going to perform with in a few degrees of each other. |
Quote:
| Do you think that a 8500Ultra dated Year 2000 with about 30K hours (about 11K in stand-by) with mint tubes (RGB 10-9-10) can be a good pj? |
Does 03P model sounds familiar to you?
Do you think I have to buy a spare p43 voltage (I assume it's a card) just in case in the future I could have problem with it?
Do you think I have to buy a spare p43 voltage (I assume it's a card) just in case in the future I could have problem with it?
no, p14 voltage(sorry typo previously) is you have to check the voltage at the p14 connector because if it's too high it can threaten the tube filament and fry the tubes despite the tubeface not being worn.
See here: http://www.etechvideo.com/techtip1.htm
See here: http://www.etechvideo.com/techtip1.htm
it is not a card! it is a point where you check voltage for the tubes..but I thought it was P14!!!
I have the marquee and a barco...love them both...although i find myself watching the marquee more often..due to a better input options...makes it easier to get better PQ...on the barco I do have some streaking also!
Martin
I have the marquee and a barco...love them both...although i find myself watching the marquee more often..due to a better input options...makes it easier to get better PQ...on the barco I do have some streaking also!
Martin
understood.
I too think that 808 look is more sexy than other pjs...
...how low a ceiling is too low for mounting a pj like a Marquee?
My ht room is in the lower floor and it is not so tall.
TinToy
I too think that 808 look is more sexy than other pjs...
...how low a ceiling is too low for mounting a pj like a Marquee?
My ht room is in the lower floor and it is not so tall.
TinToy
I've never seen a Barco in a working environment, but I'll agree that it has a more sexy appeal to it it. With that said, I would personally choose Marquee over the Barco. My reason is because in the USA, the Marquee is simply more popular and there are people everywhere who can help diagnose, if it ever has a problem. If I lived in Europe, I would choose the Barco over the Marquee for the same reason, as the Barco is more popular in Europe.
I'd assume both are pretty much identical when it comes to performance?
I'd assume both are pretty much identical when it comes to performance?
Quote:
I'd also add the stipulation that the G2 values need to be good. Mid 60's to very low 70's indicate a strong tube. Mid 70's will still give you a good picture, but indicate a weakened tube. Upper 70's... well I've not seen that yet and hope I never do.
| Originally Posted by ChrisWiggles If the tubes are indeed in that condition and P14 voltage is good, yes that would be an excellent machine. |
just assume that tubes are as stated before (10-9-10), does the chassis usage (e.g. 30K hours) can influence G2 and power supply status?
If I buy that pj and set G2, contrast and other settings with the "right" values will I obtain a good picture or tubes are just one of the elements that should be ok?
Do you think a year 2000 chassis is good even if it has so many hours on it?
I am obviously thinking of buying from US, as here in Europe used pjs are expensive as pj market is not like US market, and I will not able to see with a live demo but just with pictures. So I need some (a lot) of help for all of you.
TinToy
If I buy that pj and set G2, contrast and other settings with the "right" values will I obtain a good picture or tubes are just one of the elements that should be ok?
Do you think a year 2000 chassis is good even if it has so many hours on it?
I am obviously thinking of buying from US, as here in Europe used pjs are expensive as pj market is not like US market, and I will not able to see with a live demo but just with pictures. So I need some (a lot) of help for all of you.
TinToy
Quote:
Diagnosis will most likely occur over the internet or by calling a tech like Curt. Therefore, the location of the talent is of no consequence. That said, I've never had any problems finding a plethora of people with deep Barco knowledge.
I think it seems that there are more people that know the Marquees because they have more "common" problems (re: filiment voltage, need anamorphic mod, need fan mod, etc). Thus, lots of problems/questions posted and lots of people replying. Just my $.02.
Dave
| Originally Posted by CZ Eddie With that said, I would personally choose Marquee over the Barco. My reason is because in the USA, the Marquee is simply more popular and there are people everywhere who can help diagnose, if it ever has a problem. |
I think it seems that there are more people that know the Marquees because they have more "common" problems (re: filiment voltage, need anamorphic mod, need fan mod, etc). Thus, lots of problems/questions posted and lots of people replying. Just my $.02.
Dave
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
- Status
- Not open for further replies.
AVS Forum
A forum community dedicated to home theater owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about home audio/video, TVs, projectors, screens, receivers, speakers, projects, DIY’s, product reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Recommended Communities
