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I'm thinking about ordering my first ever plasma tv and was going to order the P46G15 for a pretty good price that worked within my budget but a few things concern me and I'm now wondering if I should wait for the 46G25 to come out. Here are the things that concern me with the G15:


1. Power consumption - almost 2x that of an LCD.

2. Rising black levels - I know this problem isn't with all sets but it still could be an issue.

3. PC input only goes up to 1366x768 res.


I'm guessing #1 & 2 will be improved/fix with the new G25's....not sure. The third issue is kinda a big one for me. I have an Xbox 360 that does not have an HDMI input so I currently use a VGA input to get 1080p. If I go with the G15 the best I'll get is 720p on the 360. Do you guys know if the G25 will support up to 1080p on the PC input? Thanks for any input/advice you can give me!
 

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Originally Posted by Atacand /forum/post/18183339


I'm thinking about ordering my first ever plasma tv and was going to order the P46G15 for a pretty good price that worked within my budget but a few things concern me and I'm now wondering if I should wait for the 46G25 to come out. Here are the things that concern me with the G15:


1. Power consumption - almost 2x that of an LCD.

Maybe if the LCD is a 26 incher. Real-world power consumption on a plasma is usually much much lower than the maximum rating claimed in the specs and claimed by the LCD fans. For instance, my older 42PX50U is rated at 395 watts, but my average over a week came out to 220 watts using a Kill-A-Watt meter (and i run that screen very bright). Get some more real-world feedback about the 46G15/46G10 power consumption before passing judgement. And the G25 series will draw even less power. The max rating on the 46G15 is 532w, but the max rating on the 46G25 is 384w.


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2. Rising black levels - I know this problem isn't with all sets but it still could be an issue.

This defect seems to have only affected a small number of units which caused the black levels to rise very suddenly. Mine is not one of them (i have about 1,500 hours on it and blacks are just as good as it's first days).


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3. PC input only goes up to 1366x768 res. I'm guessing #1 & 2 will be improved/fix with the new G25's....not sure. The third issue is kinda a big one for me. I have an Xbox 360 that does not have an HDMI input so I currently use a VGA input to get 1080p. If I go with the G15 the best I'll get is 720p on the 360. Do you guys know if the G25 will support up to 1080p on the PC input? Thanks for any input/advice you can give me!

The G25 has the same resolutions as the G10/G15 according to both instruction manuals.


Bottom line is that the G25 has various improvements over the G10/G15 series so unless price is an issue, i'd wait for the G25.
 

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Originally Posted by Atacand /forum/post/18183339


I'm thinking about ordering my first ever plasma tv and was going to order the P46G15 for a pretty good price that worked within my budget but a few things concern me and I'm now wondering if I should wait for the 46G25 to come out. Here are the things that concern me with the G15:


1. Power consumption - almost 2x that of an LCD.

2. Rising black levels - I know this problem isn't with all sets but it still could be an issue.

3. PC input only goes up to 1366x768 res.


I'm guessing #1 & 2 will be improved/fix with the new G25's....not sure. The third issue is kinda a big one for me. I have an Xbox 360 that does not have an HDMI input so I currently use a VGA input to get 1080p. If I go with the G15 the best I'll get is 720p on the 360. Do you guys know if the G25 will support up to 1080p on the PC input? Thanks for any input/advice you can give me!

I'm in the same boat 360-wise. I have a launch system (never had a problem!) and have both component and VGA cables for it. I never really understood why Panasonic limited their analog inputs to 720p. Still, before I had the rising blacks issue with my G10 it still looked great with the 360 hooked up via component. It may look better hooked up via HDMI, but I really didn't have any complaints with the visuals as-is. Although, I do have to be honest and state that my 360 gets very little use thanks to the PS3. If the new Splinter Cell was PS3 bound I would have likely sold the Xbox by now.


I have no idea if the G25 will support higher resolutions via its analog input, but I would guess no.


What's your budget?
 

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This defect seems to have only affected a small number of units which caused the black levels to rise very suddenly. Mine is not one of them (i have about 1,500 hours on it and blacks are just as good as it's first days).

This may be off topic, but thank you for posting this. When trusted members of this site chime in with positive experiences it makes me all the more likely to chalk up the problems I've experienced to bad luck instead of attributing them to a widespread issue.
 

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What's your budget?

Around $1,000. I could go a little more or less but trying to keep it about that.


I went by Costco between classes to check out the Panasonic plasmas they had on display and saw something that concerned me. I noticed the pictures on the plasmas weren't very bright and blacks looked more like greys. One of them was next to an LCD-LED set and everything popped out at you on the LED set where as things looked dull and dim on the plasmas. Maybe its the way they had it set up or are plasmas normally not that bright? All I know is I didn't leave impressed.
 

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Maybe if the LCD is a 26 incher. Real-world power consumption on a plasma is usually much much lower than the maximum rating claimed in the specs and claimed by the LCD fans. For instance, my older 42PX50U is rated at 395 watts, but my average over a week came out to 220 watts using a Kill-A-Watt meter (and i run that screen very bright). Get some more real-world feedback about the 46G15/46G10 power consumption before passing judgement. And the G25 series will draw even less power. The max rating on the 46G15 is 532w, but the max rating on the 46G25 is 384w.

The max rating on a 46" LCD I was looking was 176w and then I look at the 46G15 which has a max rating of 532w. Isn't that more than double? Maybe I'm not reading the numbers correctly.
 

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The panasonic plasmas you saw had crummy ar filters. That's why they look washed out under store lighting, or even moderate dim lighting. The ar filter on the g25 and v25 is MUCH improved. It's every bit as good as the ar filters on pioneer and samsung plasmas.
 

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The max rating on a 46" LCD I was looking was 176w and then I look at the 46G15 which has a max rating of 532w. Isn't that more than double? Maybe I'm not reading the numbers correctly.

It looks like the calibrated, real-world power consumption of 2010 Panasonic plasma models will be quite low. But yes, it could be about twice as high as the most efficient LCDs.


47LH90: 107 W calibrated (CNET)

TC-P46G10: 531 W rated max, 281 W calibrated (CNET)

TC-P46S2: 331 W rated max, ??? calibrated -- probably less than 200 W


A difference of
 

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I getting ready to purchase, colors on my tube set are going out. I've been trying to get caught up on LCD's/Plasmas again, what reading I have been doing has pushed me to a set like the TC-P46S2. Is there a reason not to go with S2 series and go with a G series? And it appears from reading this the G25 is the recommended G series.


Is it still going to be at the $1k mark?


ETA - April/May?


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Is there a reason not to go with S2 series and go with a G series? And it appears from reading this the G25 is the recommended G series. Is it still going to be at the $1k mark?

The S2 doesn't have the improved AR filter that the G20/25 and up have, and the G20/25 series will have improved contrast and some other enhancements. The P46G25 is going to be around $1299 or $1399 MSRP I think, but not listed on Panny's site yet. If around $1k is your limit then probably go with the S2 (or wait for reviews and comparisons - I think the G's are going to end up being quite a bit better than the S's though - but this is only based on what I've read here, I've seen neither yet).


Personally I waited for the P50G20 over the P46G10. Paying $600+ more but I got a good financing deal with a store card. Not worried about power consumption since I'm coming from a CRT anyway. Remains to be seen if the 2010's will have the same rising black problems (I know they ALL have a programmed increase, but the problems people have reported are defects above and beyond that), but every single brand has some sort of horrible issue if you look hard enough around here. I'm curious that you're using VGA with your Xbox, I didn't know that was an option. I'd just use component to get full 1080p if I didn't have the Elite with HDMI. I think the 2010's have the same VGA resolution limits.
 

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Originally Posted by RandyWalters /forum/post/18183866


Maybe if the LCD is a 26 incher. Real-world power consumption on a plasma is usually much much lower than the maximum rating claimed in the specs and claimed by the LCD fans. For instance, my older 42PX50U is rated at 395 watts, but my average over a week came out to 220 watts using a Kill-A-Watt meter (and i run that screen very bright). Get some more real-world feedback about the 46G15/46G10 power consumption before passing judgement. And the G25 series will draw even less power. The max rating on the 46G15 is 532w, but the max rating on the 46G25 is 384w.



This defect seems to have only affected a small number of units which caused the black levels to rise very suddenly. Mine is not one of them (i have about 1,500 hours on it and blacks are just as good as it's first days).



The G25 has the same resolutions as the G10/G15 according to both instruction manuals.


Bottom line is that the G25 has various improvements over the G10/G15 series so unless price is an issue, i'd wait for the G25.


Good post. I'm in the same position as the original poster, and I'm waiting to get a G25. I would agree with Randy and not lose sleep over the power consumption numbers. These Panny plasmas are quite efficient in that area as opposed to models from yesteryear.
 

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The S2 doesn't have the improved AR filter that the G20/25 and up have, and the G20/25 series will have improved contrast and some other enhancements. The P46G25 is going to be around $1299 or $1399 MSRP I think, but not listed on Panny's site yet. If around $1k is your limit then probably go with the S2 (or wait for reviews and comparisons - I think the G's are going to end up being quite a bit better than the S's though - but this is only based on what I've read here, I've seen neither yet).


Personally I waited for the P50G20 over the P46G10. Paying $600+ more but I got a good financing deal with a store card. Not worried about power consumption since I'm coming from a CRT anyway. Remains to be seen if the 2010's will have the same rising black problems (I know they ALL have a programmed increase, but the problems people have reported are defects above and beyond that), but every single brand has some sort of horrible issue if you look hard enough around here. I'm curious that you're using VGA with your Xbox, I didn't know that was an option. I'd just use component to get full 1080p if I didn't have the Elite with HDMI. I think the 2010's have the same VGA resolution limits.


Do you know what the expected release of these are?
 

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I'm curious that you're using VGA with your Xbox, I didn't know that was an option. I'd just use component to get full 1080p if I didn't have the Elite with HDMI. I think the 2010's have the same VGA resolution limits.

My understanding is the panasonics don't accept 1080p over component.
 

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My understanding is the panasonics don't accept 1080p over component.

That's correct, and holds true for the G25 as well. The Component inputs will not accept a 1080p signal.
 

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Do you know what the expected release of these are?

Whatever estimate is on Panasonic's site. Might be someone in the 2010 thread knows more.

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My understanding is the panasonics don't accept 1080p over component.

Oh, I didn't realize this. Just kinda assumed... don't most TVs support it?
 

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Are any of you using a plasma in a reasonable well lit room? The TV will sit in a corner, down each wall ~10 feet is either a window or french door, nothing directly behind. It opens into the kitchen that has recessed lighting and there are 2 indoor floods that run a 60 or 80 watt light...
 

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Are any of you using a plasma in a reasonable well lit room? The TV will sit in a corner, down each wall ~10 feet is either a window or french door, nothing directly behind. It opens into the kitchen that has recessed lighting and there are 2 indoor floods that run a 60 or 80 watt light...

I have a panny plasma and im happy with the natural picture but if I was going to be watching in an well lit room I would go with a lcd it just looks better under well lit conditions although I hope you all are going to sit pretty much in front of it cause to the side an lcd will look somewhat washed out.
 

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I thought 1080p over component wasn't allowed.

Right, I remember now. The MPAA and such don't want us copying their precioussss 1080p over a non-encrypted connection.
 
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